blubberhawk
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That is true. (sad also) Whatever happened to light hearted fun at the ball park?
Did anyone listen to Iowa State's News Conference today?
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That is true. (sad also) Whatever happened to light hearted fun at the ball park?
Got to love clown fans that are clueless and moronic!
deanvogs
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I don't have a daughter, but I will tell my son to not put himself in compromising situations. I still don't see how being in a band, and walking to your bus, and playing your instrument is putting yourself in a bad situation in any way. Bands have literally been doing this for decades and decades. We now also have correspondence between Iowa and ISU and they didn't give Iowa any instruction at all how to exit, plus they had the director of facilities screaming at them to "get the **** off his field". Once again, how was the band in any way putting itself into a "dangerous or threatening" situation?
pythagoras
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I don't know because I wasnt there. I haven't had a single post arguing that they were instigating. I can paint a picture of how a band could do that on purpose and be over the top just to mess with people, but there's not much point in doing that because that's never been my point in this whole thing anyway.
It's weird how people can cling so hard to one point (one that I'm not even making) that it makes them blind to everything else, to the point where they argue against something as obvious about teaching your daughter to be careful because there are bad people out there.
There's still plenty of that, and there's always been drunken assholes.
I could even see a situation where the guy yelling at the band pissed them off enough to the point where they were making a point to blow through a crowd and be over the top. If I was the band leader and the guy treated us like that, I might say "let's storm right through that crowd blaring the fight song, F em". And if I was in the crowd, I could spot the difference between a band just trying to mind their own business and leave the stadium, and a band that is trying to get under the skin of the fans.
I don't know what the band was doing and you have no idea either. No matter what, its irrelevant to the punishment that should be dished out to the people who got physical. But it would be relevant to my personal opinion of how it all went down.
I don't know what the band was doing and you have no idea either. No matter what, its irrelevant to the punishment that should be dished out to the people who got physical. But it would be relevant to my personal opinion of how it all went down.
deanvogs
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Why are you trying to invent situations? I don't get it here, you keep saying you have no idea what happens, but you want to invent situations in which the band members "got what they deserved". 99% of the time the obvious answer is the answer. The band was marching to the bus playing the Iowa fight song and some ISU assholes didn't like it.
I sucks that Jamie Pollard is such a ****ing asshole. Nearly every other AD on the planet would have apologized for some bad actors behavior (by no means does it define ISU fans as a whole) and said that won't be tolerated by ISU AD department, or other ISU fans. Should have called for other fans to report anything they might know about bad actors in the situation and say you are going to review your policies moving forward. Instead Pollard has to be the insecure and small minded person that he always is and start victim blaming. I mean what kind of POS do you have to be to put on the press conference blaming the Iowa band for exiting that direction (when your emailed instructions to the Iowa band doesn't even address exiting) and then blaming them further since they had the gall to play the Iowa fight song (even though that is the very purpose they are even there, to cheer on their team).
I'm inventing situations to debate against the notion that instigating has zero relevance, like lots of people here are saying. Even tho if roles were reversed and our fans attacked their band, most people here would care if the visiting band had instigated the crowd.
I do fully agree about Pollard tho. In his position, he has to publicly focus on what his side did.
Also this is a legit question for anyone who knows. Is it common practice for visiting bands to play the fight song on their way out of the stadium?
And another thing Dean. You pulling out the "get what you deserved" crap after all of this proves you haven't listened to a single thing I've said.
skinnykilmer17
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Sorry Deano but for once I am in 100% agreement with you. Spot on re PC on this one and Pollard.
More proof why I'm right and he's wrong. JK I don't really know your post history enough for that to be anything but a joke.
deanvogs
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Now I don't know if it is policy, but I have seen opposing marching band around Kinnick alot. They are always in formation and they are nearly always playing, or breaks between playing. I would guess this is common sense as you can't have 250 band member milling around and just tell them to get to the stadium or get to the bus. I would assume that a band would want to be in formation all of the time to and from the bus, so they don't lose members in crowds, etc.
And what you will refuse to acknowledge is the only time the whole debate about "bad acting band members" started when Pollard implied that was the case.
deanvogs
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Sure I have. You are making up stupid analogies like dudes at bars calling other people pussies and saying that ****ed their wives. I have called you out for the stupid analogies, those are things you directly said.
The greater point that I am calling you out for is trying to compare or say that Iowa band put itself in a dangerous or compromising situation by forming ranks and marching to their bus while playing a fight song.
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If it's common practice, it's less likely they were doing it with bad intent. And I do acknowledge that was when the debate started. I also acknowledge that it wasnt his place to say it. I also acknowledge that even tho he shouldn't have said it and even tho there's a good chance it wasnt true, IF it was true, the band shouldn't have been doing that. I also acknowledge that even if the band did it, they didn't "deserve what they got", but they shouldn't have done it and it makes it more understandable how it happened. I also acknowledge that whoever got physical deserves an equal punishment regardless of whether or not the band instigated.
Looks like someone needs to read up on what an analogy actually is. Those were perfect analogies to debate someone who says "intent never matters" like people were saying. The "extremeness" of two things in an analogy dont need to be equal unless you are actually debating the extremeness, which I was not.
If I was trying to prove that pushing through a crowd and playing the fight song was akin to calling a guy a pussy and saying you fucked his wife, that would be a terrible analogy. If I'm trying to debate whether or not instigating can matter, it's a good one. How do people not know this?
I also stand by my opinion that it's possible to form rank and play a song in a harmless manner and it's possible to form rank and play a song in an instigating manner. The only way to know the difference is by being there and seeing it. It's also possible for drunk idiots to mistake the band doing it in a harmless manner for them doing it to instigate. There is a very good possibility that that's what happened.
deanvogs
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We understand what you are saying. What we don't get is why you would spend such a great amount of time arguing an admitted unlikely hypothetical that was only brought up by an ass hat who was trying to victim blame.
Because people were dumb enough to say intent never matters which bugs the shit out of me. But trust me, I've been asking myself the same question on why the hell I'm spending so much time on this.
