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Sucks being in Tempe playing for a tournament team?
Consequences of the Atwood decision
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Sucks being in Tempe playing for a tournament team?
Barring injury, we will be fine without Atwood in 2014. 2015 looks to be a big year for us on the court with our senior class that year. Probably the biggest consequence of Atwood's decision for Iowa is that we could well be starting a newcomer at forward that year.
So then if White plays 25 min. at the 4. Who plays the other 15 ?
White plays probably 30 at the 4. GO and Uthoff fill in the blanks. That is an Atwood decision consequence. JU needs to hit the weights.
PalmettoHawkFan
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We could see more Jok at the 3. PF is a weak spot now. You have White and then *gurp*. Maybe Gabe, but Woody and Gabe's mutual foul problems make that unlikely. Utoff is too thin and doesn't have the body type to gain bulk.
There are a lot of forwards on the roster, but no pure 4 (a Lorenzen/Millard/Street/Horton/Evans/Brunner hell even Cyrus Tate or Kent Hill bruiser who will get it done in the paint).
There are a lot of forwards on the roster, but no pure 4 (a Lorenzen/Millard/Street/Horton/Evans/Brunner hell even Cyrus Tate or Kent Hill bruiser who will get it done in the paint).
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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JU will. I really dont think it fits Frans style to have gabe and woody on the floor at the same time. I think it would be a train wreck too many cooks in the kitchen. It would be wasted mins for one of them if it happened. Could work in a zone situation but it would be awful on offense.
Its hard to argue with what you say. But I just have trouble seeing JU at the 4 in the Big Ten. He needs to get stronger just to play the 3. As another poster said White could play 30 leaving only 10 to cover. But White seems to be better when he gets some rest. Maybe the Freshman will come in ready to play 10-15 Min. You know anything about how strong he is ? what his game is like ?
I'd be pleasantly shocked if either Jok started, loyalty is Fran's thing to a fault. Would love to see Trey get a "real" shot at the starting spot or Clemmons for that matter, but neither will. Kind of like how Ferentz will stick with Weisman (the slow bull) at Tailback.
ibahawkeye
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Maybe I'm overreacting but in my opinon, Atwood was the difference between a tournament team and not a tournament team.
Now I would guess we may get close to the 20 win mark and maybe the bubble but be on the worng side.
Way too early prediction but that's what this team's potential feels like to me.
Now I would guess we may get close to the 20 win mark and maybe the bubble but be on the worng side.
Way too early prediction but that's what this team's potential feels like to me.
PalmettoHawkFan
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^ this
Atwood was not a potential all-conference player, but he could have filled a need at the 4; whereas now there is a problem of managing minutes and player limitations.
I think you are going to White, Uthoff, Woodbury, and Oleasani on the floor a lot next year. Two of those four will on the floor at all times, and at times three will be on the floor. Uthoff is likely going to play some 4 next year. He needs to continue to develop lower body strength and develop as a traffic rebounder. His offensive matchup will be favorable at that spot.
I'd like to see Clemmons play off-ball some next year. He's not very good with the ball in his hands, but he's a decent spot-up shooter and he's athletic. I think he'd play well next to a score-first guard like Dickerson.
I'd like to see Clemmons play off-ball some next year. He's not very good with the ball in his hands, but he's a decent spot-up shooter and he's athletic. I think he'd play well next to a score-first guard like Dickerson.
I agree. 2 of White, Woody, GO, and JU will be on the floor at all times. I think the key to Woody/GO minutes on the floor together is GO's face up game. With those two on the floor together, we could go with 3 guards easily. But JU will play some 4. Uhl will play some 3. We will play 2 PGs in the backcourt on a regular basis and might start 2 of them. IF there is no player development, we could easily be a bubble team that falls off the bubble. But there is the opportunity for lots of guys to step forward with the seniors' departure. Some of them will and that, combined with increased team quickness, ought to have us dancing again.
Losing out on Atwood hurts, because I think the biggest hole to fill next year is Basabe's minutes, points & rebounds. If you assume that Dickerson/Jok can replace Marble's minutes & points, and hopefully Uhl can replace McCabe's 15 minutes and 6 points per game, the question is who fills Basabe's? I'd hope that Uthoff can pick up some extra minutes, points & rebounds, but I still think Iowa is going to be weak at the 4.
Fran answer's a lot of the questions in this thread in a Gazette article today:
http://thegazette.com/subject/sport...gazette&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=discovery
Concerning how Atwood not signing would affect the front court in 2014:
“All that means is Uhl is going to play, which we knew that already,†McCaffery said. “(Jarrod) Uthoff will play a lot more, which maybe he should have last year, the way he was playing at the end of the year especially. (Aaron) White’s going to play a lot and Gabe (Olaseni) and (Adam Woodbury) are going to play a lot. So we have plenty.â€
Concerning GO and Woody playing together:
it’s possible Iowa will shift backup center Gabe Olaseni to power forward at times next year.
“We did it a little bit last year but not much,†McCaffery said. “At least we did it some. Gabe’s more comfortable (there). If we said, ‘Hey, I need you to play the four,’ he’d be excited about that, I think.â€
He declined to talk about Huff but concerning the 2015 class Fran says:
“I like going into this class with scholarships,†McCaffery said. “There’s still some guys out there.â€
concerning TD, his ability, role, and playing with MG:
McCaffery also is high on incoming point guard Trey Dickerson’s skill set. Dickerson, a third-team All-American at Williston (N.D.) Junior College, can help break down defenses and score.
“This guy gets in the lane,†McCaffery said. “He gets rid of it. He throws alley oops. But he can also score. He’s another weapon we have. Another talent.
“We looked at him, is he good enough to play in the Big Ten? Absolutely. He brings something to the table that enhances what we have. He compliments what we have. He gives us flexibility. We can play him and Mike (Gesell) together. We can play (Dickerson) and two big guards.
“The bottom line, he’s a scoring point guard and those guys are effective, especially in this league.â€
http://thegazette.com/subject/sport...gazette&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=discovery
Concerning how Atwood not signing would affect the front court in 2014:
“All that means is Uhl is going to play, which we knew that already,†McCaffery said. “(Jarrod) Uthoff will play a lot more, which maybe he should have last year, the way he was playing at the end of the year especially. (Aaron) White’s going to play a lot and Gabe (Olaseni) and (Adam Woodbury) are going to play a lot. So we have plenty.â€
Concerning GO and Woody playing together:
it’s possible Iowa will shift backup center Gabe Olaseni to power forward at times next year.
“We did it a little bit last year but not much,†McCaffery said. “At least we did it some. Gabe’s more comfortable (there). If we said, ‘Hey, I need you to play the four,’ he’d be excited about that, I think.â€
He declined to talk about Huff but concerning the 2015 class Fran says:
“I like going into this class with scholarships,†McCaffery said. “There’s still some guys out there.â€
concerning TD, his ability, role, and playing with MG:
McCaffery also is high on incoming point guard Trey Dickerson’s skill set. Dickerson, a third-team All-American at Williston (N.D.) Junior College, can help break down defenses and score.
“This guy gets in the lane,†McCaffery said. “He gets rid of it. He throws alley oops. But he can also score. He’s another weapon we have. Another talent.
“We looked at him, is he good enough to play in the Big Ten? Absolutely. He brings something to the table that enhances what we have. He compliments what we have. He gives us flexibility. We can play him and Mike (Gesell) together. We can play (Dickerson) and two big guards.
“The bottom line, he’s a scoring point guard and those guys are effective, especially in this league.â€
It would of been fun to watch Atwood draw fouls and going to the line, but its going to be fun to watch some of the other guys play more. If you think about it, Iowa has a lot of talent. Its going to take a pretty talented team to match up with Iowa next year.
ibahawkeye
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Sports sure are funny...
I feel like you must be talking about a completely different team and have been thinking the hawks needed an uplift in talent and needed an impact player to contribute immediately and was hoping Willie would be our guy.
But it's just interesting how we can have such different perspectives on the same team.
greghammel
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Does it matter what we think Atwood could have done? He is not coming here. Next topic: What if the Easter Bunny was real?
I think Atwood could of helped Iowa, but he wasn't going to be the savior of the Iowa basketball team. He wasn't going to start over White, and he might not of been able to beat out Uthoff. With the talent Iowa has, if there is a savior of the Iowa basketball team, its going to be hard work and coaching. Iowa still might bring in someone for next year, but Atwood is kinda small to be an NBA power forward, and I doubt he would of even made all conference his first year, and maybe not his second year. He is probably a guy that could make some money overseas somewhere after his eligiblity was over.
ArvadaHawk
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Right after the season ended, I said that one of the reason's we struggled in the 2nd half of the B1G is that we didn't have a point guard that had the latteral quickness, change of direction and handles in the half court to run the offense. Fran seems to at least hint at this. While MG could get all the way to the hole, he couldn't get there without a screen up top, first, and then he was too inconsistant as a finisher.
Also, I am a bit surprised that AC hasn't left; although, there is probably still time for that. But, if he does stay, I wonder if he redshirts?? Oddball thought, I know, but that would give him a full season without being the 3rd wheel and would give Fran a chance to really go get his next guy. Just a thought.
