I agree that TD gives us something we haven't had in a while, something Fran will want to utilize. That, combined with the facts that Clemmons hasn't left, and Fran is looking at PGs for 2015 as well, makes me think TD and Gesell might well be starting together.
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ibahawkeye
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Not to mention, we now have a SG with some legal trouble who may miss some time and Josh Ogelsby certainly isn't the answer as a starting SG. Sure he can come in off the bench and be a 3 point threat but we need a more complete player to start and log most of the minutes at SG.
I guess we'll see if the MG/TD combo works. If they both start, do you anticipate TD being the PG and Mike moving to the wing?
The popular conception seems to be that MG would move to the wing if he played with TD. But it's hard to move MG's A/T ratio from PG. And if we need TD to score, maybe he would be better at the 2?
I don't think Jok will miss much time due to his infraction. It's more about how the roster looks, what our shortcomings were last year, and the population at PG and recruiting that make me think the 2 PG line-up will be tried.
So you are knocking Iowas bench players for not being good enough to play for Duke/Kansas/Kentucky? Do you see anything wrong with that argument??
It wouldn't surprise me if White plays power forward with Uthoff, and I think Uthoff will play small forward with Jok. Jok will probably play some off guard, but I don't see him not playing small forward next year.
ibahawkeye
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A lineup with both mike and TD concerns me with lack of shooting.
Much like last year, we would lack 3 point threats.
I think Jok has to start. He's better than Ogelsby and I don't think you want to play many minutes with both Jok and Ogelsby on the floor together due to the defensive liability. So with one starting, it will make rotations easier.
I see what you're saying. So if MG doesn't shoot any better next year and TD shoots the 3 well, would you start him over Mike and put Jok at the 2?
tweeterhawk
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Tantalizing prospect (TD at PG, Jok at the 2) but I just don't see MG losing the starter's job at the point. TD would have to be a helluva player to knock him out of the 1.
I'm just going back to shooting. It's pretty much an imperative that we improve our shooting next year. MG has averaged under 32% from 3 for both of his college years. IF TD goes over say 36% and Mike can't do any better, it'll be hard to keep Trey off the floor. On the other hand, if Mike did become a shooter and TD shoots pretty well also, then both of them on the floor together could be rather attractive.
But TD isn't really a shooter, he's a scorer. That's why I think Fran will play with having TD + Gesell, TD + MG + Jok, and TD + Jok + JO.
ibahawkeye
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It'd be a bold move by Fran but I would hope so. Any idea what kinda shooter TD is?? All I've heard about was his ability to utilize his quickness to penetrate.
tweeterhawk
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How's Mike as a spot-up shooter? His first two years he was expected to more run the offense, find Dev and Woody, giving him less of an opportunity to create an open shot. IIRC, however, that given time and space on the perimeter there were occasions that MG was pretty fair hitting the outside shot. Not great but serviceable. If TD proves to be the better creator, would there be times MG moves to the 2?
TD averaged 34.8% from 3, shooting 54/155 on the season.
That's actually very similar to RDM's 3pt stats this year. He went 52/149 for 34.9%.
Since TD's not expected to be the top scorer here, his 3pt% will probably go up.
Other TD stats: 19.8pts, 5.7ast, A/T ratio of 2 (not bad for a leading team scorer).
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SwirlinLingerie
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Maybe I am in the minority, but does anyone see Uthoff being effective at the three? I don't see the lateral quickness to guard players on the perimeter, or the ability to break most swing players down off the dribble.
In my opinion, his advantage is drawing bigger, slower players out on the perimeter with his shooting, then having the relative quickness and ball handling skills to get past them. To me, he is a front court player who needs to play inside-out. He doesn't/can't get low or have quick initial steps (like a Ryan Bowen). He is a strider who covers ground in the open floor, not an explosive player with side to side quickness.
In my opinion, his advantage is drawing bigger, slower players out on the perimeter with his shooting, then having the relative quickness and ball handling skills to get past them. To me, he is a front court player who needs to play inside-out. He doesn't/can't get low or have quick initial steps (like a Ryan Bowen). He is a strider who covers ground in the open floor, not an explosive player with side to side quickness.
tweeterhawk
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You're not in the minority and right now I'm not even sure he's one of your first five players on the floor. I'd like to see him add some strength and weight; perhaps he'd be more effective down low.
ibahawkeye
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Not gonna happen... He's already had 3 years and I think he's put a total of 15 lbs on since high school.
He's a tweener. Not quick enough to play the 3 and not strong enough to play the 4.
I think had we signed Willie, he would have been the answer at the 3 spot.
hawkeyebob62
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Not without precedent. Brad Lohaus played freshman and sophomore years then red-shirted his third year.
I think Sapp needs more minutes to get comfortable. But, if Dickerson can have a real impact, it wouldn't hurt for Sapp to red-shirt.
I think Sapp needs more minutes and a different role. Don't force to him to play point as he doesn't have the handles. Let him play off ball, let him cut, spot-up shoot, work as secondary ball-handler. Hopefully, this would let him play with less thinking. His athleticism will allow him to contribute on the court, perhaps in an Eric May type role. Low possession usage, good defender, ok spot-up shooter, and quick to lose balls.
Not sure if I totally agree with you about Uthoff. To me, the best move he made all year was the up fake and drive to the hoop vs Shannon Scott @OSU. Scott's one of the quicker guards in the B1G. No, Uthoff is not the ideal 3 because of lateral quickness issues, especially on D. With 2 more years of strengthening and alongside a Senior-bodied Woodbury, he could play the 4. However, this year I think Fran wants him primarily at the 3. The recent acquisition of Nic Baer tells me something about that. Without Atwood, Fran needed another forward to play vs White/Uthoff at the forwards in practice along with Uhl.
hawkeyebob62
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I think he is "serviceable' at point in a very minor role, i.e., 3rd or 4th option. His defense is his strongest suit right now (not counting "athleticism"), probably. And he does have a decent shot, but do you see him as a first-option shooter? Personally, I don't when compared to a Jok or Oglesby.
homes
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What are you saying? I have the basket to prove it. Not sure what type of heathen existence you're living, but you need to get your head straight.
