hawkeyebob62
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LT works for the NFL network and they had his combine stats up the other day. Dude was a freak ran a 4.3 He was pretty much the perfect NFL workhorse everydown back and played like it quite awhile. He's in the HOF for good reason.
Josh Jackson put up a 4.49. That's plenty good enough to lock him in the top half of the first round. He'll be either the first or 2nd corner off the board depending on what team falls in love with him or Ward.
I thought outside the 40 he did pretty well. I heard nothing but good things about him. Worley at OSU ran the same as he did or so. Jewell will be 3rd to 4th round pick I bet and that's not terrible. Someone has fallen in love with him. The true football guys not the analytic number junkies won't let him go undrafted he's way too good for that.
99topdawg
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Jackson really helped himself with his 40 time. Denzel Ward ran 4.32, which does/could affect Jackson's draft position.
Jewell got ripped into by some for running a 4.82. The average for an ILB is 4.77. His 20 yard shuttle was very good and he knocked the 3-cone drill out of the park. I would think those 2 would be more applicable to his position than the 40. Also, he has the chance to improve his time at Iowa's pro day. His tape will speak for itself. I still want him on my team.
Jewell got ripped into by some for running a 4.82. The average for an ILB is 4.77. His 20 yard shuttle was very good and he knocked the 3-cone drill out of the park. I would think those 2 would be more applicable to his position than the 40. Also, he has the chance to improve his time at Iowa's pro day. His tape will speak for itself. I still want him on my team.
Yeah Josh needed a 4.5 or better. Good for him.
I don't know if LT was that fast. Mid 4.4's is what I would have guessed.
But it wasn't burner speed in the 40 that made him special. He had great hands. He had that juke, cut that froze people and he had a heck of a launch. I can't remember how many times guys had hands on him and he slipped away.
Yeah, I never said Barkley wasn't good.
At 233 coming into the NFL, he had better be on top of things.
Bigger does not always equate to production.
Adrian Peterson was only 217 pounds. Was 6'1 or so and ran just over a 4.4 he was pretty good.
The folks that do that I think are just wanting him to fall in the draft so when they get him he'll be a steal. All the chatter around this time of year is misdirection. Nobody wants anyone else to really know what they are wanting to do. It's why there's talk of the Browns taking Barkley #1 now. They just want it out there that it's possible. So if anybody like the Giants or anyone else is in love with Barkley and wants to trade up to get him it starts that process. There's no way that the Browns will say which QB they are in love with and want right now. Even if they know.
Most certainly!!
Bordone
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Ronnie Harmon played in the NFL 20 years ago, size of the players has changed quite a bit since then.
Bordone
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Was never going to be anything other than this.
Robowe
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How about Dion Lewis (Patriots)? 5 foot 8, 195 pounds. This year, 896 yards rushing (5.0 yds/carry) to be the Patriots leading rusher. 32 receptions as well. Drafted in the 5th round by the Eagles in 2011. Traded to the Browns. Cut by the Browns. Cut by the Colts. Patriots picked him up off the scrap heap and made something out of him.
Meh. Lines have definitely gotten bigger, but backers are still 225 ish, safeties and defensive backs are still 200-220 ish.
Backs only have to be big enough to be durable. After that, they start to lose in other areas. If it wasn't true, everyone would have 250-260 pound backs.
Coming in at over 230 is a concern for me.
Coming in 10 under is better than 10 over imho.
But it's more about vision and elusiveness.
Coming in at over 230 is a concern for me.
Coming in 10 under is better than 10 over imho.
But it's more about vision and elusiveness.
There was a time in the 90s where LBs were around 250-260. I remember the 49ers had a MLB Winfred Tubbs 6'4 255ish. That was kinda the thing for awhile then they got Julian Peterson in the early 2000s who was in the 230s when they first got him. As the league started getting more and more pass happy the LBs had to slim down from being just run stuffers to defending the pass depending on if they were rushers or not.
HawkeyeDenis
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Before the combine my thought was that the Iowa players would go 2nd round or later. With Jewell 3rd round at the earliest. It wouldn't surprise me to see Daniels slip to 3rd or 4th round. Jackson. Maybe late second. Probably 3rd. .
Jewell will find a spot on a roster. He may be a 5th rounder. But he'll have a job come May.
Jewell will find a spot on a roster. He may be a 5th rounder. But he'll have a job come May.
99topdawg
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I really didn't read the whole conversation you were having. I just saw someone mention LT's 40 time and thought I'd look it up. Was amazed at how similar he was to Barkley. Sorry if my post was taken that way.
Oh definitely. Bringing them in at 225-235 is about ideal. The outlaws 40 didn't do him any favors, maybe you can adjust slightly because of his game speed, but it didn't help.
Really even if you have a backers at 230 and sub 4.5 which is fairly good, then you can certainly have an elusive, rb at 210 -215. As for height, I'd rather have a taller lb than a rb.
Really we are talking 2in and 20 lbs or so. That's why the intangibles are important. Which should help JJ and AW.
Now db's, wr's and Te's I would definitely place slightly more value on height, weight, vertical, wing span and 40. Db's and wrs have to excel at speed or vertical or they get smoked (as the past has shown us).
Te is just a bigger version and usually slightly slower.
But not always.
I seem to remember watching one of ours turn on the jets.
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