Coker gets snubbed

[hawkfan340]

I don't know what game you were watching, but Coker's running against NEbby was pathetic. At least a half dozen times he basically gave up running and waited to be tackled, instead of doing what he was trained and coached to do, and that is RUN FORWARD. He cowered like a little girl on numerous occassions. I don't know if he was hurt or not, tired or not, bad coaching decisions to play him, but he shouldn't have been playing in parts of several games this year. I guess we will have to blame the coaching. When your running back can barely get up off the ground and looks complete exhausted, he probably shouldn't be playing.

Coker's running the latter half of the season was simply not-good. Especially against any competition that mattered. The middle of the season Coker ran ok. Watch the tapes. He either gives up on the run or thinks too much. Hopefully he will grow out of that.

I was watching the Iowa-Nebraska game from last Friday. You know, the one where Coker ran for 87 yards on 18 carries, 39 receiving yards on 3 receptions, and ran in a TD. The one where Coker had better than a half yard more yardage per carry than Burkhead.

He was our only skill player offensively that bothered to show up. He had a decent but not dominate game. The facts are the facts.

 

[TylerSash]

You're either a crabby old man, or a crabby young man. At any rate, Coker wasn't a "non-factor" against Nebraska. Our QB was.

Yep, all of Coker's rushing TDs were key in our victory. GameFilm even graded out the OL with one of their best performances of the year.

Did you even WATCH the game?

 

[ShockRerun]

No, what I said is that you don't defend the option the same way as the pro style. Herbyhawk explained that perfectly. Burkhead had a big game against MSU because he had the most carries or any Big 10 game aside of the Iowa game. He was still averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Coker averaged over 4 against Penn State but got only 18 carries, so please don't act like he wouldn't have had a big day if he had gotten 30 carries. You want to believe that Burkhead playing poorly against weaker defenses (NW and Michigan) where they needed him just as much wasn't a big deal, that's your problem.

The numbers in those games dont show Burkhead getting first downs and keeping drives alive so that Nebraska could win the time of possession and keep the defense fresh. If you think what he did Friday helped his team win, that is what he did to the best defenses in the conference.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

Yep, all of Coker's rushing TDs were key in our victory. GameFilm even graded out the OL with one of their best performances of the year.

Did you even WATCH the game?

I've watched every game but the ISU game. I have said it before and I will say it again, there are backs in this league that would have way more yards than Coker with this same OL and schedule. I saw him break 8 yard runs where another back (Monte Ball, IMO) would have gotten 25. It wasn't a one time thing. He may have gotten 3 where Ball would have gotten 1, but I don't see it balancing out that way.

Coker isn't bad, but he sure didn't get snubbed here.

EDIT: (I'm agreeing with you btw, just decided to quote yours)

 

[TylerSash]

I've watched every game but the ISU game. I have said it before and I will say it again, there are backs in this league that would have way more yards than Coker with this same OL and schedule. I saw him break 8 yard runs where another back (Monte Ball, IMO) would have gotten 25. It wasn't a one time thing. He may have gotten 3 where Ball would have gotten 1, but I don't see it balancing out that way.

Coker isn't bad, but he sure didn't get snubbed here.

EDIT: (I'm agreeing with you btw, just decided to quote yours)

Soon all of the kool-aid dip*shi*s on this site will be here to call you a bad fan, pathetic, and that you criticize the players. Accurate observation and analysis of football is not wanted here. That is why this is easily the lamest board of all the major Iowa sites on the Internet.

 

[hawkfan340]

I've watched every game but the ISU game. I have said it before and I will say it again, there are backs in this league that would have way more yards than Coker with this same OL and schedule. I saw him break 8 yard runs where another back (Monte Ball, IMO) would have gotten 25. It wasn't a one time thing. He may have gotten 3 where Ball would have gotten 1, but I don't see it balancing out that way.

Coker isn't bad, but he sure didn't get snubbed here.

EDIT: (I'm agreeing with you btw, just decided to quote yours)

Not really a fair comparison to Ball. He was head and shoulders above anyone.

The question of whether it's better to have a home-run/strikeout type back or a steady grinder is one that can be debated forever. Winning teams seem to have one of each and mix them together.

 

[BackNBlk]

The numbers in those games dont show Burkhead getting first downs and keeping drives alive so that Nebraska could win the time of possession and keep the defense fresh. If you think what he did Friday helped his team win, that is what he did to the best defenses in the conference.

So where was he when they played weaker defenses and lost?

 

[hawkfan340]

Soon all of the kool-aid dip*shi*s on this site will be here to call you a bad fan, pathetic, and that you criticize the players. Accurate observation and analysis of football is not wanted here. That is why this is easily the lamest board of all the major Iowa sites on the Internet.

There's a difference between saying he didn't get snubbed and he wasn't a factor in the Nebraska game.

Saying that he wasn't snubbed is pretty fair.

Saying that he wasn't a factor in the Nebraska game, which is your opinion, is basically nonsense haterade.

 

[BackNBlk]

Soon all of the kool-aid dip*shi*s on this site will be here to call you a bad fan, pathetic, and that you criticize the players. Accurate observation and analysis of football is not wanted here. That is why this is easily the lamest board of all the major Iowa sites on the Internet.

He's not a bad fan for criticizing. You on the other hand make stupid claims that you don't/can't back up and you think you are making accurate observations. You can call it lame or call people morons, pu****s, dip sh*** or whatever, but in the end you're the one doing a pathetic job of defending your claims. You throw a hissy fit and name call because people aren't falling all over your "observations." The rest of us don't seem to be having trouble making it through disagreements without the juvenile BS you have been spouting. Maybe you need to move back to the kiddie table until you want to act like an adult.

 

[TylerSash]

There's a difference between saying he didn't get snubbed and he wasn't a factor in the Nebraska game.

Saying that he wasn't snubbed is pretty fair.

Saying that he wasn't a factor in the Nebraska game, which is your opinion, is basically nonsense haterade.

'Factors' in a game affect the outcome. Coker was completely neutralized by an extremely average Neb D.

Your football IQ is very poor.

 

[TylerSash]

He's not a bad fan for criticizing. You on the other hand make stupid claims that you don't/can't back up and you think you are making accurate observations. You can call it lame or call people morons, pu****s, dip sh*** or whatever, but in the end you're the one doing a pathetic job of defending your claims. You throw a hissy fit and name call because people aren't falling all over your "observations." The rest of us don't seem to be having trouble making it through disagreements without the juvenile BS you have been spouting. Maybe you need to move back to the kiddie table until you want to act like an adult.

The namecalling was not started by me, but others, but I don't see you calling them out you dou*chebag. Don't cry like a little bitc* because you can't handle what you dish out.

You're a moron.

 

[herbyhawk]

the in conference stats are more telling about a players value to a team and you appear to ignore Martinez's getting over 450 yards rushing in conference
where the next rb for Iowa had 79 yards for the season
it is the conference that matters
the only way OOCstat matter is if they each face top level BCS opponents thru out the non conference schedule as neither did they are stats that can be discarded
the conference is where they pretty much face the in conference competition

i also would like to see the current standings as far as how each team finished in order of total defense

 

[hawkfan340]

The namecalling was not started by me, but others, but I don't see you calling them out you dou*chebag. Don't cry like a little bitc* because you can't handle what you dish out.

You're a moron.

Dude, go take a walk. You're acting like a two year old.

 

[TylerSash]

Dude, go take a walk. You're acting like a two year old.

And yet I'm still at a level far above you.

"Dude."

 

[BackNBlk]

The namecalling was not started by me, but others, but I don't see you calling them out you dou*chebag. Don't cry like a little bitc* because you can't handle what you dish out.

You're a moron.

Nice comeback. How brave you must be cowering behind your computer! You stay classy.

 

[TylerSash]

Nice comeback. How brave you must be cowering behind your computer! You stay classy.

As opposed to you with your personal info out there for everyone to see.

Oh wait, you don't because YOU'RE A PUS*SY

 

[74Hunter]

So where was he when they played weaker defenses and lost?

Burkhead was dinged against NW, not sure about Michigan.

Bottom line, is that this was an opinion poll. In the opinion of those who voted, they felt that Rex had a little better season. Nothing to get all worked up about.

 

[TylerSash]

Burkhead was dinged against NW, not sure about Michigan.

Bottom line, is that this was an opinion poll. In the opinion of those who voted, they felt that Rex had a little better season. Nothing to get all worked up about.

If you don't think that every single player on Iowa's roster is clearly the best at his position in the Big Ten then you are being too critical of Iowa's players and are a bad fan.

 

[herbyhawk]

another major factor people choose to ignore is that the losing team
ussually start passing to catch up there is not enough time to just run the ball to catch up

this why Iowa beat GT in the OB, they got the lead and the GT QB was so bad at throwing the ball the D was very good against the run they basically challenge him to beat them with his arm
tonight during the BB game i will work 2 other stas that are overlooked bt do play a big part in the other stats
time of possesion and plays per game and how they were used
plays per game makes a big difference in how a player gets his carries

a starting running back should get no less than 20-25 carries a game
and last i checked Coker Averaged just under 24 carries per game
by mt looking at his stats so far he went over 30 carries 3 times out of 12 games
with the most against ISU at 35

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

...And Burkhead put Nebraska on his back and won games. The kid is all heart, the award is about being the best not padding stats.

Burkhead also is somewhat elusive which Coker is not. Watching Coker run a sweep is downright comical. Also never seen a back hit the hole slower than Coker. It better be a large one.