Yeah, I was like WTF?!?! If anything, Hyde should have been on there over him. I think it's kind of like Pro Bowl balloting in that name guys get the nod....especially at positions where there hasn't been a lot of good play. How does Rieff make 1st team after the season he had?
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Yeah, I was like WTF?!?! If anything, Hyde should have been on there over him. I think it's kind of like Pro Bowl balloting in that name guys get the nod....especially at positions where there hasn't been a lot of good play. How does Rieff make 1st team after the season he had?
hawkjunkie
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I don't know what game you were watching, but Coker's running against NEbby was pathetic. At least a half dozen times he basically gave up running and waited to be tackled, instead of doing what he was trained and coached to do, and that is RUN FORWARD. He cowered like a little girl on numerous occassions. I don't know if he was hurt or not, tired or not, bad coaching decisions to play him, but he shouldn't have been playing in parts of several games this year. I guess we will have to blame the coaching. When your running back can barely get up off the ground and looks complete exhausted, he probably shouldn't be playing.
Coker's running the latter half of the season was simply not-good. Especially against any competition that mattered. The middle of the season Coker ran ok. Watch the tapes. He either gives up on the run or thinks too much. Hopefully he will grow out of that.
HawkeyeMHA
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yeah really, prater did not have a good year, unfortunately, i dont think hyde had a good year either (IMO). I can remember a lot of plays where both got burnt...
tm3308
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You realize that this is an argument to SUPPORT Burkhead, right? He had better numbers than Coker against the two best defenses in the conference, and he did it with a quarterback that can't throw, and therefore the defense can load the box with near impunity.
You really want to make the case for Coker being 1st team based on the fact that he was better than Burkhead against sh*tty defenses?
as was posted earlier against posibly the worst defense that is Minnesota,
Burkhead
23 carries 117 yards
Coker
32 carries 252 yards
9 more carries for a extra 135 yards, i don't see it
and how many times did Burkhead face a defense that was geared to stopping him
not many i would be willing to bet
Plus Burkhead is more of a sweep type runner where Coker is between the tackle runner
two very different styles
Burkhead
23 carries 117 yards
Coker
32 carries 252 yards
9 more carries for a extra 135 yards, i don't see it
and how many times did Burkhead face a defense that was geared to stopping him
not many i would be willing to bet
Plus Burkhead is more of a sweep type runner where Coker is between the tackle runner
two very different styles
ShockRerun
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Burkhead was watching the game for most of the second half because it was a blow out. And defenses that played nebraska were geared up to stop the run, which Burkhead was the leading rusher. Nebraska only averaged 180 yards a game passing if they wernt trying to stop him who was.
HawkeyeMHA
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no worries, water over the dam damn. he's all big 10 next two years, all american senior year.
Umm, no it's not an argument to support him. You are aware that Martinez is a running QB and one of the fastest guys on the team right? You aren't going to defend Nebraska's option the same way you defend Iowa's pro style.
I'm not basing it on the fact that he was better against ***** teams either. I posted all their stats vs common opponents. Coker's average was similar to Burkhead vs PSU and it's very telling that Burkhead's two biggest carry games were against those good defenses of MSU and PSU and Coker's smallest carry games were against them. While we're on the subject, it's not like Coker was slightly better against poor defenses, he was MUCH better. Burkhead failed to gain 100 yards against NW and Michigan and had less than 4 yards per carry. Doesn't that balance out how he was against MSU and PSU? Sorry, but Burkhead averaged less than 4 yards per carry vs three of those opponents and Coker only had that happen once.
tm3308
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You said it yourself: it's easier to stack the box when you don't have to respect the passing attack. Nebraska has Martinez at QB, therefore they have very little ability to pass. Yet even with that fact, Burkhead's biggest games came against MSU and PSU, the best two defenses in the conference. Tell me how that's not an argument in favor of Burkhead?
Coker padded his stats against crap defenses. Burkhead "padded" his against the best defenses he faced. He deserved to be on first team over Coker.
Bigtenchamp
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Coker needs to improve alot - his yards are a product of a nfl talent o-line - his running is erratic - he leaves alot of yards out there quite often.
hawkeyebob62
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Bernstine was noticeably better than both Prater and Hyde. I have no problem with Reiff or any IOWA guys getting 2nd team or HM, as they obviously had to be "good enough" for the numbers put up by Coker, JVB and McNutt.
I think the MOST telling thing is Binns and Daniels getting "partial" 2nd team status (EITHER coaches OR media, not both), and ZERO LBs on 1st or 2nd team. Some of that could be injuries the first half to two-thirds of the season, but let's face it, defensively, we had only one player who performed, at a minimum, "better than adequate" on a consistent basis (Binns).
HawkeyeMHA
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yeah, did bernstein get any acknowledgement?
sorry the stacking the box arguement doesn't hold water as Martinez being a Running QB and being a team that runs sweeps, takes teams out of a 8 man defense as they are easy to box in
you can't gear a defense to stop just the running back when the QB will gouge you by running as well, and he can pass, he is not like the QB at Georgia tech
one last stat Coker gained 1004 yards in conference play
Burkhead gained 850 yards in conference play
Marttinez gained 458 yards in conference play as a running QB back
where as Vandy got 61 on the season
so who did more as a rb for his team and was more valuable to the team
take Burkhead out of the discussion Nebbie is not that bad off
take Coker out and i doubt Iowa wins the games they did
picking spicific stats to prove a point is useless, you have to take the whole base of stats to get a true feel rather than, oh these stats really prove my point of type feel good stats
you can't gear a defense to stop just the running back when the QB will gouge you by running as well, and he can pass, he is not like the QB at Georgia tech
one last stat Coker gained 1004 yards in conference play
Burkhead gained 850 yards in conference play
Marttinez gained 458 yards in conference play as a running QB back
where as Vandy got 61 on the season
so who did more as a rb for his team and was more valuable to the team
take Burkhead out of the discussion Nebbie is not that bad off
take Coker out and i doubt Iowa wins the games they did
picking spicific stats to prove a point is useless, you have to take the whole base of stats to get a true feel rather than, oh these stats really prove my point of type feel good stats
ShockRerun
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So Iowas passing attack didnt pull off any pressure from the run game? And Burkhead nnot important to nebraskas offense? With out him nebraska would barley have an offense.
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Hawkeye11en1
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Iowa has shown to plug in many RBs in the system and get production. It was the great ones that carried the team. Coker is not great IMO.
wartknight
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This might have been Coker's year to get it. His YPC avg may be better the next couple years, but I have to think after the beating he took this year, the good Captain will be using someone else to lighten the load for Coker.
No, what I said is that you don't defend the option the same way as the pro style. Herbyhawk explained that perfectly. Burkhead had a big game against MSU because he had the most carries or any Big 10 game aside of the Iowa game. He was still averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Coker averaged over 4 against Penn State but got only 18 carries, so please don't act like he wouldn't have had a big day if he had gotten 30 carries. You want to believe that Burkhead playing poorly against weaker defenses (NW and Michigan) where they needed him just as much wasn't a big deal, that's your problem.
racerhawk
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You're either a crabby old man, or a crabby young man. At any rate, Coker wasn't a "non-factor" against Nebraska. Our QB was.
tm3308
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And you didn't pick a specific stat (yards in conference play) that "proves" your point?
Who did Burkhead have behind him at Nebraska? Nobody at running back. You take him out the equation, and Nebraska's offense would have been pathetic. Martinez would have been the only source of production on the ground, and he wouldn't be able to handle that kind of pounding.
Burkhead was the key to Nebraska's offense. Without Martinez, they'd have still been okay. But without Burkhead, they tank. And considering that Iowa was 7-5 WITH Coker, and Nebraska was 9-3 with Burkhead, I'd say he was a little more valuable. That's a 6-6 team without Burkhead, IMO. Iowa, Penn State, and Ohio State all beat Nebraska were he not there, and maybe even Washington.
