CJ or Jake

[theboat]

I'm not going to be that guy saying our QB camp isn't a problem at this point and I've made it clear what my thoughts are on benching JR in other posts. My concern is that if in the event that JR gets the hook and CJ comes in and isn't ready, then what?

Honest question, because in that scenario I think CJ's psyche is affected and it could destroy Jake mentally. Let's face it, we think he struggles looking down field now, what happens if to him mentally knowing that if he misses a throw he's uncomfortable making he gets yanked? What happens to the psyche of this team if KF makes the switch and CJ isn't the answer?

You really think it can get worse? If Iowa continues to play the same way, they will be lucky to win 1 or 2 more games. That is worth potentially hurting the QBs feelings. Rudock will still get his purple ribbon after the season and be told that they are all winners.

 

[PCHawk]

I'm not going to be that guy saying our QB camp isn't a problem at this point and I've made it clear what my thoughts are on benching JR in other posts. My concern is that if in the event that JR gets the hook and CJ comes in and isn't ready, then what?

Honest question, because in that scenario I think CJ's psyche is affected and it could destroy Jake mentally. Let's face it, we think he struggles looking down field now, what happens if to him mentally knowing that if he misses a throw he's uncomfortable making he gets yanked? What happens to the psyche of this team if KF makes the switch and CJ isn't the answer?

A couple things. If you're not ready to play qb by your third year on campus, you're probably never going to be.

Also Rudock has to know what's being said about him and I think he's feeling the heat. If Beathard comes in and sucks it up to the point where we have to go back to Rudock, he will come back better off than he is now.

What would make you more confident? An entire fan base screaming for your backup? Or your backup showing everyone that he's not very good and that you're the best qb on the team?

 

[DJL]

I'm not going to be that guy saying our QB camp isn't a problem at this point and I've made it clear what my thoughts are on benching JR in other posts. My concern is that if in the event that JR gets the hook and CJ comes in and isn't ready, then what?

Honest question, because in that scenario I think CJ's psyche is affected and it could destroy Jake mentally. Let's face it, we think he struggles looking down field now, what happens if to him mentally knowing that if he misses a throw he's uncomfortable making he gets yanked? What happens to the psyche of this team if KF makes the switch and CJ isn't the answer?

Very good points, and I agree to a point. However, these guys have both been around awhile, and it's time to put feelings aside. Instead of using someone on your heels as an excuse to not perform, we need a guy to step up and use it as an excuse to excel. Competition in theory should make you better, not pucker the butt cheeks up. We need a guy who wants to step up and isn't fragile. Jake's body language was bad when CJ was in. He is afraid to make a mistake. He was frozen after his INT on Saturday. Whether CJ plays another down or not, the damage is already done, so you might as well see what they both have in a game situation and go with the leader. If neither can separate, you have a problem, and you probably just settle on the one with the most upside (which I think is CJ based on physical talent.)

 

[DJL]

Does anyone want to change their votes?

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Football is a game of emotion and needs to be played with emotion. CJ brought that emotional spark back. Go re-watch the 3rd down pass to Hamilton (the one where CJ threw off his back foot while getting blitzed.) After Hamilton was tackled he got up and did something that I haven't seen from him before...he gave the first down sign. That one reaction is the type of body language that tells me the offense is on board with CJ. Sure I am extrapolating that to include other players, but we all saw the extra pep in their step, when CJ came in. Emotion isn't quantifiable, but you know it when you see it. I saw with when CJ entered the game.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Very good points, and I agree to a point. However, these guys have both been around awhile, and it's time to put feelings aside. Instead of using someone on your heels as an excuse to not perform, we need a guy to step up and use it as an excuse to excel. Competition in theory should make you better, not pucker the butt cheeks up. We need a guy who wants to step up and isn't fragile. Jake's body language was bad when CJ was in. He is afraid to make a mistake. He was frozen after his INT on Saturday. Whether CJ plays another down or not, the damage is already done, so you might as well see what they both have in a game situation and go with the leader. If neither can separate, you have a problem, and you probably just settle on the one with the most upside (which I think is CJ based on physical talent.)

DJL, if CJ isn't ready then we have to scrap for a win. I'm not sure what you mean by "not ready" as I think the coaches will have CJ ready for what Purdon't does schematically. Let's remember that CJ did play at Purdon't last season. Remember the hand off that never was that CJ kept for a touchdown? I think CJ will be ready. The bigger question is what happens if CJ gets injured? Can JR pull a Willis Reed if needed?

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

I've been in ruddocks corner but I would start sunshine against purdont. Sex cannon won that game for us (with everyone else of course) and with jake likely missing some practice time this week (WE TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE?) I'd stay with Goldie locks. See what he can do for a full game. Kurt has a great excuse if he wants to use it as jake is dinged up.

 

[DJL]

I've been in ruddocks corner but I would start sunshine against purdont. Sex cannon won that game for us (with everyone else of course) and with jake likely missing some practice time this week (WE TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE?) I'd stay with Goldie locks. See what he can do for a full game. Kurt has a great excuse if he wants to use it as jake is dinged up.

If KF is smart he will use the excuse that CJ is the healthier of the two quarterbacks this week so he is going to start, and Jake will come in only in an emergency situation. If CJ does what we all believe he can do, he may end up winning the job for the year on Saturday.

 

[tweeterhawk]

If KF is smart he will use the excuse that CJ is the healthier of the two quarterbacks this week so he is going to start, and Jake will come in only in an emergency situation. If CJ does what we all believe he can do, he may end up winning the job for the year on Saturday.

That makes so much sense that it likely will not happen with this coach.

 

[Sparky]

I don't get it. What the hell have people seen out of Rudock that makes him better than what we saw out of the 2 quarters of play by CJ? I don't get it.

 

[greenhawk]

I don't get it. What the hell have people seen out of Rudock that makes him better than what we saw out of the 2 quarters of play by CJ? I don't get it.

Agreed. If ruddock stayed in that game we go to 2-2 and all momentum is likely gone for the season. Just think about the possibilities that breathard gives you now... read options, bootlegs with the threat of a run, 10 yard cushions from dbs, 3rd and long completions off your back foot. Who cares if he makes some mistakes... freaking stanzi made 15 during arguably the best season in school history. Breathard gives Iowa a chance to be a great instead of good team.

 

[DJL]

Agreed. If ruddock stayed in that game we go to 2-2 and all momentum is likely gone for the season. Just think about the possibilities that breathard gives you now... read options, bootlegs with the threat of a run, 10 yard cushions from dbs, 3rd and long completions off your back foot. Who cares if he makes some mistakes... freaking stanzi made 15 during arguably the best season in school history. Breathard gives Iowa a chance to be a great instead of good team.

I'm not sure we would even be considered a good team with Jake at the helm. We lost to Iowa State at home, and escaped Ball State. We only scored 17 against two bad defensive teams; both at home. Iowa scored 17 against a better team on the road in the second half with CJ. Maybe I am making it more simple that it is, but to pretty much anyone who watches football, the team looked so much better with CJ running the offense.

 

[shonblatt]

So CJ came into the game and hit a bomb to Powell.

That single pass accounted for over 2/3 of CJ's passing yards for the day. He had zero TD passes and only had 29 yards passing the last 25 minutes of the game.

Rudock has done some pretty nice things too. He's not the second coming of Jake Christensen. I blame the O struggles more on GD than on Rudock.

Iowa came back and won the game because the D played better and we got better field position, and the O got Weisman going a little bit.

CJ may have more swagger and arm strength, but apparently he's not as great in practice - so I can understand Kirk's hesitance to make a permanent switch.

This is not the slam-dunk decision you all think it is.

 

[Sparky]

So CJ came into the game and hit a bomb to Powell.

That single pass accounted for over 2/3 of CJ's passing yards for the day. He had zero TD passes and only had 29 yards passing the last 25 minutes of the game.

Rudock has done some pretty nice things too. He's not the second coming of Jake Christensen. I blame the O struggles more on GD than on Rudock.

Iowa came back and won the game because the D played better and we got better field position, and the O got Weisman going a little bit.

CJ may have more swagger and arm strength, but apparently he's not as great in practice - so I can understand Kirk's hesitance to make a permanent switch.

This is not the slam-dunk decision you all think it is.

I've seen zero downside to playing CJ. I've seen all sorts of downsides to playing JR.

I'll also say because CJ is a better passer it did allow our offense to rush the ball more. Even announcers during the game were talking about how Pitt's defense changed with CJ in the game.

People know that JR is going to check down and throw the screens and there's not much pressure for the big passes over the middle. Which is why every time JR throws one deep the receiver is wide open. Hell, even the receiver is so surprised they drop the ball. (ok, not really why the drop the ball)

 

[DJL]

So CJ came into the game and hit a bomb to Powell.

That single pass accounted for over 2/3 of CJ's passing yards for the day. He had zero TD passes and only had 29 yards passing the last 25 minutes of the game.

Rudock has done some pretty nice things too. He's not the second coming of Jake Christensen. I blame the O struggles more on GD than on Rudock.

Iowa came back and won the game because the D played better and we got better field position, and the O got Weisman going a little bit.

CJ may have more swagger and arm strength, but apparently he's not as great in practice - so I can understand Kirk's hesitance to make a permanent switch.

This is not the slam-dunk decision you all think it is.

Okay, I get your point, BUT, he went down field again to Smith and got a PI penalty. He made a 3rd down play that JR would never and could never make. The defense knew that CJ was looking down field, not just once like Jake did (which was a good throw) but consistently. This made the Pitt defense respect the deep ball thus opening the run game up. Most importantly, how many drives did Iowa score on when CJ was in the game vs drives they didn't score on? How many drives did Iowa score on with JR in the game vs drives they didn't score on?
In my humble opinion, the offense looks a lot better with CJB in the game.

 

[HomerChampless]

I don't get it. What the hell have people seen out of Rudock that makes him better than what we saw out of the 2 quarters of play by CJ? I don't get it.

We also saw his ability the last of the LSU game, didn't we. Against a defense that was in pass defense mode -more of a nickel-type mode - (not prevent defense).

 

[shonblatt]

Okay, I get your point, BUT, he went down field again to Smith and got a PI penalty. He made a 3rd down play that JR would never and could never make. The defense knew that CJ was looking down field, not just once like Jake did (which was a good throw) but consistently. This made the Pitt defense respect the deep ball thus opening the run game up. Most importantly, how many drives did Iowa score on when CJ was in the game vs drives they didn't score on? How many drives did Iowa score on with JR in the game vs drives they didn't score on?
In my humble opinion, the offense looks a lot better with CJB in the game.

I do agree that CJ has more swagger and arm strength, and I do see the upside. But Kirk apparently sees some downside at practice every day that we're not privy to. And Jake does nice things too, especially when he's on a roll.

If this was a slam-dunk decision (like Stanzi over Jake C.), I believe Kirk would make the switch.

But we all know Kirk tends to stay the course, rather than be overly reactionary. Sometimes that serves him well, and sometimes it just makes him look out of touch with reality.

 

[Sparky]

We also saw his ability the last of the LSU game, didn't we. Against a defense that was in pass defense mode -more of a nickel-type mode - (not prevent defense).

I have some idioms to describe that situation...

Fart in the Wind
Even a blind squirrel finds his nuts once and a while
Every dog has his day
Close but no cigar
Flash in a pan

 

[HawkeyeDenis]

Jake is a good QB. He just doesn't have the tools that CJ does. CJ really impressed me with his delivery. Quick and crisp. Something we don't see from Jake.

 

[ThunderHawk]

To paraphrase the great philosopher Axl Rose: It sofa king easy.