CJ or Jake
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HomerChampless
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Ferentz has already made his decision.
theboat
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It says I voted for Jake, but I didn't. He is not good.
Yes I think he is not horrible, just not that good. Smart does not always = good. But nobody will convince KF otherwise.
HawkeyeWalker
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JR starts, gets two series or a score, whatever comes first. CJ then gets 2 series or a score, whatever comes first......repeat.
Yes, I know that if they are "on fire" and score right away, it doesn't make much sense as they lose rhythm. Don't care. I want to see a good sample size and the QB's alternating until a winner emerges. Have to have AT Least one 15-20+yard pass attempt/per series.
Also, Run Power Left...Power Right. If it's working, Don't Stop Doing It. RB misses a cutback lane, they are out.
Audible Check to a long pass, just air it out, just once.....just to see what happens. You Know...HAVE SOME FREAKING FUN !!
I'm might lose it this Saturday if I see the same stupid sh!t....and then not have anyone ask KF one single question that matters.
Yes, I know that if they are "on fire" and score right away, it doesn't make much sense as they lose rhythm. Don't care. I want to see a good sample size and the QB's alternating until a winner emerges. Have to have AT Least one 15-20+yard pass attempt/per series.
Also, Run Power Left...Power Right. If it's working, Don't Stop Doing It. RB misses a cutback lane, they are out.
Audible Check to a long pass, just air it out, just once.....just to see what happens. You Know...HAVE SOME FREAKING FUN !!
I'm might lose it this Saturday if I see the same stupid sh!t....and then not have anyone ask KF one single question that matters.
My grandma could have one on one coverage with Jerry Rice in his prime and Rudock would still check down. And I'm talking about my grandma that's been dead for years.
hawkdrummer1
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Either one. Just no Greg Davis.
CPHAWK82
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I've been in the Rudock camp since the competition with him and CJ started. I knew Jake didn't have the arm CJ did. I just felt like he was going to be able to move chains more consistently. That's obviously not happening. Now I can't help but wonder what CJ would do staring at a 8 man front trying to stop the run. I say start Jake this weekend, give him 2 series. If it looks like the team is going down the same rabbit hole, throw Beathard in there for the rest of the game and just live with the results. This team isn't doing anything this year anyways unless they figure out how to get the ball into the hands of the receivers and give their running game a little room to operate.
Note: I tried to vote but can't for some reason
Note: I tried to vote but can't for some reason
Jake wasn't THE problem but he was a problem and right now he's the easiest problem to fix. If we had a run game things might be different but we don't. Jake's strength is game management and move the chains which obviously isn't working. We have wide open guys downfield and we need someone that can get them the ball.
If Beathard isn't that guy, then we don't have one and we go back to Rudock. Maybe Rudock will play better afterward knowing that he's the guy no matter what because Beathard had his shot and it didn't work.
Rudock might very well be the better qb. But for this particular offense, given our strengths and weaknesses, he might not be.
CPHAWK82
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One thing that stuck with me when listening to CJ's interview after the Ball State game is CJ said Davis gave him a different "package" to practice during that week. What does that mean? Would Iowa literally be doing different plays and schemes with CJ in there? I don't know...maybe it just meant it was a slimmed down playbook, but it makes me wonder if Davis has a whole bunch of pages not being used because of Jake's limitations.
I know...I know...#armchairquarterback
I know...I know...#armchairquarterback
trj
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and that is the only one that matters at the moment.
I like having preset conditions but I would base it on positive incentives to play well. If JR fails to score in two series CJ comes in. If JR scores, the cycle starts over and he has two more possessions to score. If JR fails to score in two possessions, CJ comes in, same parameters. It's a game within a game and it wouldn't hurt a players psych.
If a player scores every two possessions he plays the whole game.
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trj
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Or a change in KF's overall offensive philosophy.
DJI9424
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It makes little difference, as long as the system remains the same. I would like to see what CJB could do with at least a full half of possessions but then I have to come back to reality - if he actually had success in ways that had not been prescribed by KF/GD, he would be deemed to have failed.
There is a certain psychology (pathology?) present in this team that no amount of talent will be able to overcome. If KF was willing to admit his approved system is failing his team, either quarterback would be able to perform acceptably.
There is a certain psychology (pathology?) present in this team that no amount of talent will be able to overcome. If KF was willing to admit his approved system is failing his team, either quarterback would be able to perform acceptably.
docholihawk
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Sadly I have to say it won't matter what any of us, including Barta, say. KF will stay with this exact same game plan, same qb, same everything. Remember James Vandenberg's senior year. Kirk didn't give one snap to a backup qb. He will refuse to change knowing he'll never get fired. He has put himself above the team, fans even the school. It's a dangerous game when one person puts himselg above the team, business or whatever. It almost always ends in disaster. Kirk will take us to 3-9, 2-10 seasons before he leaves. This, if it already hasn't been proven is why you don't give a head coach a contract longer than 5 years. ISU despite their win is going to learn this very same thing.
Jake was absolutely part of the problem. He has no confidence throwing down the field and every defense knows it. After he threw the INT, if his first read wasn't there, his eyes dropped and looked for a place to run. His body language and actions showed me he has lost confidence in his ability, and the receivers are frustrated. When you score 17 points in back to back games against low level opponents, you MUST do something different. To think that the same strategy is going to work against a better team on the road is nothing short than insanity.
