Can CJ Become Iowa's all-time winningest QB?

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Beathard is now 15-2 as a starter (88% winning percentage).

In the modern AP Poll era (since 1939), the only Iowa QB that comes close is Randy Duncan, who finished 15-2-2 in 1957 and 1958 (7-1-1 in 57 and 8-1-1 in 58), which is a winning percentage of 84%.

Let's hope for 12 more starts for Beathard. If he goes 10-2 the rest of the way (possible?), he would finish 25W and 4L, which would be a winning percentage of 86%. I don't think it will happen, but there is a chance.

Enjoy this quarterback, because you may not see another one like him at Iowa for a long time....
 
I agree. He has a legit shot to leave Iowa as one of the very best to ever play QB here. Strange that he will leave Iowa as a 2 year starter
 
JR was better in 2014. Film room study time is the huge improvement that CJB has made per coaching staff. He was very lax and relied solely on his athletic ability until later that year. Basically the bowl game prep. Look at Campbell's comments. His game management at the line of scrimmage and checks are excellent. If KF had played him in 2014, he never would have hit the level he is playing at. so much of it is mental maturity. Same with Wadley. Always had the physical tools, but he was screwing around during off season....minimal self discipline. KF knows what he is doing.
 
Casade24 said:
JR was better in 2014. Film room study time is the huge improvement that CJB has made per coaching staff. He was very lax and relied solely on his athletic ability until later that year. Basically the bowl game prep. Look at Campbell's comments. His game management at the line of scrimmage and checks are excellent. If KF had played him in 2014, he never would have hit the level he is playing at. so much of it is mental maturity. Same with Wadley. Always had the physical tools, but he was screwing around during off season....minimal self discipline. KF knows what he is doing.
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These are fair comments.....but what would have happened if KF had named Beathard as starter BEFORE the fall of 2014, say in the spring? Would that have accelerated the maturation process?? We'll never know......I have all the respect in the world for Ferentz and I have defended him over and over again on this board. I simply think he "whiffed" on that decision when he picked Rudock over CJ for 2014. It's just coffee talk now anyway.....in football, it's about the next game, not past games.....
 
I didn't have a problem with him naming Rudock the starter over CJ going into the 2014 season. What was frustrating was that Rudock didn't get off to a great start and then when CJ went in for Jake against Pitt, it looked like the entire team was rejuvenated. CJ was great in that game. I think the problem after that was that CJ had a decent but not great game against Purdue the following week which led to Jake going be into the line up when he got healthy. But it's all water under the bridge now.
 
From a "winningest quarterback" standpoint.....in the Ferentz Era, it's got to be Stanzi at the moment. He won a total of 28 games, 3 bowl games (including an Orange Bowl), 14 straight games and 15 out of 17 between 2008 and 2009. And to top it all off, he had the greatest post-game interview in the history of CFB.

Love it or leave it!
 
SpiderRico said:
From a "winningest quarterback" standpoint.....in the Ferentz Era, it's got to be Stanzi at the moment. He won a total of 28 games, 3 bowl games (including an Orange Bowl), 14 straight games and 15 out of 17 between 2008 and 2009. And to top it all off, he had the greatest post-game interview in the history of CFB.

Love it or leave it!
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Again, very fair comment.....my point was that CJ would have the highest winning percentage.....he will never catch Stanzi or Long in total wins because he will only get to play two full seasons. Bottom line, all were great QBs....I was lucky to see most of Stanzi's home games and all of Long's home games (those were great years!)
 
Casade24 said:
JR was better in 2014. Film room study time is the huge improvement that CJB has made per coaching staff. He was very lax and relied solely on his athletic ability until later that year. Basically the bowl game prep. Look at Campbell's comments. His game management at the line of scrimmage and checks are excellent. If KF had played him in 2014, he never would have hit the level he is playing at. so much of it is mental maturity. Same with Wadley. Always had the physical tools, but he was screwing around during off season....minimal self discipline. KF knows what he is doing.
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Just don't agree about 2014. The whole team picked up. I'm not doubting JRs ability. He just didn't fit well as a player for KF, at least not as well as CJ. That said, I still think KF wants a JR but doesn't do well with a JR. Glad last year worked out for all.

Reminds me of a soccer coach who had a kid who got demoted. He said something like, "Son, you score an inordinate amount of goals. But you are ruining our formation." The team rarely scored after that. KF is like that coach. When it clicks it really clicks. When it doesn't it is not pretty to watch (speaking of the technical related coach). Oh yes and the wins stopped coming as well.
 
I'm trying to really enjoy this year, even if Iowa isn't 12-0, watching CJB play is a once in a generation experience. I loved stanzi, but the throws CJB was making Saturday wasn't something stanzi has in his arsenal.
 
Wouldn't the all time winningest QB be Chuck Long with 35 if this was for total wins? That might stand for a long time.
 
All I know is that if Beathard has another outstanding year and gets drafted and a shot at the NFL and Stanley comes in behind him with success, this could really help Iowa in the future recruiting top rated drop back QB's. It's already an advantage having top RB's come and run behind these consistently good lines. I would think the QB recruits would start to be cognizant of the advantage of the great line protection and complimentary running game. I presume the Iowa staff sell these points to the QB recruits. Would luv to start getting a nice pipeline of top QB's at Iowa learning a NFL system.
 
Jonrn said:
I'm trying to really enjoy this year, even if Iowa isn't 12-0, watching CJB play is a once in a generation experience. I loved stanzi, but the throws CJB was making Saturday wasn't something stanzi has in his arsenal.
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I know it. When I was watching him Saturday night I was like you kidding me. Then he did it three times. He several NFL caliber passes in that game. He has control of that entire offense.
 
Casade24 said:
JR was better in 2014. Film room study time is the huge improvement that CJB has made per coaching staff. He was very lax and relied solely on his athletic ability until later that year. Basically the bowl game prep. Look at Campbell's comments. His game management at the line of scrimmage and checks are excellent. If KF had played him in 2014, he never would have hit the level he is playing at. so much of it is mental maturity. Same with Wadley. Always had the physical tools, but he was screwing around during off season....minimal self discipline. KF knows what he is doing.
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CJ was better in 2014. The Pitt 2nd half was the best all year by either. The rest of your comments are pure speculation. Chuck Long started as a redshirt freshman and it didn't hinder his growth at all. The extra experience helps in most cases.
 
Casade24 said:
JR was better in 2014. Film room study time is the huge improvement that CJB has made per coaching staff. He was very lax and relied solely on his athletic ability until later that year. Basically the bowl game prep. Look at Campbell's comments. His game management at the line of scrimmage and checks are excellent. If KF had played him in 2014, he never would have hit the level he is playing at. so much of it is mental maturity. Same with Wadley. Always had the physical tools, but he was screwing around during off season....minimal self discipline. KF knows what he is doing.
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Great point and well said. I think this goes so much more into it than us posters on a message board can understand. Sometimes when dealing with young men that age, they are just stubborn, think they know it all, or just think they know better.

That said, I wanted CJ as a starter after the Purdue game and said as much at that time. Yet I don't see practice, I don't see how they prep, I don't see all the things the coaches get to see, so I'm not gonna kill KF over it. He played the player he felt gave Iowa the best shot to win, of that I have no doubts. When he review the season, and reflected on it, he decided that CJ would be the best choice, so he made that decision.

It is really easy to sit where we do and proclaim absolutes, but we have 1/100th of the information he does when he is making these decisions.
 
I was talking about all time winning percentage. Chuck Long is the leader in total wins (34 I believe) but he started for FOUR YEARS. CJ will only start for 2 years
 
ChosenChildren said:
Beathard is now 15-2 as a starter (88% winning percentage).

In the modern AP Poll era (since 1939), the only Iowa QB that comes close is Randy Duncan, who finished 15-2-2 in 1957 and 1958 (7-1-1 in 57 and 8-1-1 in 58), which is a winning percentage of 84%.

Let's hope for 12 more starts for Beathard. If he goes 10-2 the rest of the way (possible?), he would finish 25W and 4L, which would be a winning percentage of 86%. I don't think it will happen, but there is a chance.

Enjoy this quarterback, because you may not see another one like him at Iowa for a long time....
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Did CJ or JR start the Taxslayer Bowl debacle against Tennessee?
 
hwk23 said:
CJ was better in 2014. The Pitt 2nd half was the best all year by either. The rest of your comments are pure speculation. Chuck Long started as a redshirt freshman and it didn't hinder his growth at all. The extra experience helps in most cases.
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You are correct.

JR was better at being an obedient puppy.

CJ is better at winning games.

Last year when JR had more weapons he won 10 games - CJ, 12. And those are the records of a guy with 3 yrs at the helm vs 1 year. And when CJ gets to the NFL he'll have a better career than JR.

None of this is to say JR won't be successful in life. He already is a success. But JR needs his masters approval above all else . . . CJ needs to vanquish his opponent above all else.

KF almost drove CJ away like he did DW. We're lucky he stayed.
 
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Joshbrown said:
You are correct.

JR was better at being an obedient puppy.

CJ is better at winning games.

Last year when JR had more weapons he won 10 games - CJ, 12. And those are the records of a guy with 3 yrs at the helm vs 1 year. And when CJ gets to the NFL he'll have a better career than JR.

None of this is to say JR won't be successful in life. He already is a success. But JR needs his masters approval above all else . . . CJ needs to vanquish his opponent above all else.

KF almost drove CJ away like he did DW. We're lucky he stayed.
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Why do you feel the need to tear Jake down? You do understand that you don't have to tear him down and bash on him in order to say CJ was better. All Jake did was try to be the best player he could. My guess is he has already been more successful and will be more successful in life than 99.9% of people out there.

KF didn't do anything to drive Willies away. Every player wants more playing time, but good for KF that he makes them earn it first. Willies wasn't close to being better than Tevaun, KMM, Powell, Hillyer, or Vandeberg, and that has been show by just how good those WR were/are for us. Willies was getting on the field every bit as much as Powell, Hillyer and Vandeberg and he didn't have a clue where he was supposed to be lining up, didn't know the offense, got hurt, and then decided to QUIT on the freaking team, not just once, but again after deciding he didn't want to atone for quitting the first time.
 
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