lightning1
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It's true.It's not true. That's absurd.
It's true.It's not true. That's absurd.
Record good enough to compete for 1-5 spots in BIG conference. Then the team is reputable with a good chance of getting into the NCAA.
Yea, I'm not going to stop watching on TV, but I'm also not going to go to all extremes to make the trip to Carver to watch it live.
By all means, pass on the acceptance of mediocrity to your children. The crooks love it when you raise marks to provide for their future.
The most important thing to teach them is to strive for greatness. In any thing they attempt. Make the effort. If someone had taken the time to teach that simple lesson to Gary Barta, we wouldn't be in this mess.Or I can teach them to be a front runner.
The most important thing to teach them is to strive for greatness. In any thing they attempt. Make the effort. If someone had taken the time to teach that simple lesson to Gary Barta, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Yes it is. Look how many on this board alone defend anything and everything Fran related because they are so scared things could go back to the Lick era. If you don't know by now that Fran is never going to be anything better than a mediocre coach you are fooling yourself and a majority of the fans want to give him another year or even longer. You might not think that means they love mediocrity but they gladly accept it out of fear things could be worse.
That's pretty much what Fran has done the last 4 years.
I'm judging Barta but his own words and more importantly, by his own deeds. The man runs the worst AD in the conference, by W/L and conference titles. Hands down. Look at the numbers. It's been that way since he took over. So, whatever he's been striving for....it should be obvious that he's achieved it. Because he keeps producing the same results, year after year after year.Lightning, I'm really not trying to steal your thunder here (see what I did there). However, before you start calling someone out, you should know more about them. While at NDSU he was a member of the Bison football team that won the 1983, 1985, and 1986 NCAA Division II National Championships. Now, he wasn't a great player and didn't play much, but when you are part of three National Championship teams...you pretty much have a grasp on the "striving for greatness" request you so eloquently stated he doesn't know anything about.
I get people want to blame someone for what's happening in Iowa Basketball right now...but to start the year, everyone was excited about the prospects...including Barta I'm sure. Sometimes you don't know how severe your liabilities are until you start playing great competition. Should Fran have known...sure...but I wouldn't be blaming Barta...I'd blame the coach. I honestly think Fran can turn this around. We are a Lebron James away from contending...and a Joe Wieskamp away from being competitive.
Lightning, I'm really not trying to steal your thunder here (see what I did there). However, before you start calling someone out, you should know more about them. While at NDSU he was a member of the Bison football team that won the 1983, 1985, and 1986 NCAA Division II National Championships. Now, he wasn't a great player and didn't play much, but when you are part of three National Championship teams...you pretty much have a grasp on the "striving for greatness" request you so eloquently stated he doesn't know anything about.
I get people want to blame someone for what's happening in Iowa Basketball right now...but to start the year, everyone was excited about the prospects...including Barta I'm sure. Sometimes you don't know how severe your liabilities are until you start playing great competition. Should Fran have known...sure...but I wouldn't be blaming Barta...I'd blame the coach. I honestly think Fran can turn this around. We are a Lebron James away from contending...and a Joe Wieskamp away from being competitive.
Now just show how "reasonable" is it that the same guy leads an AD that's dead last, or next to dead last in every Directors Cup since he took the job? He was on as many or more championship teams as a back up at NDSU, than he's seen come through the doors at Iowa, by any coach he's hired, in his entire tenure!How dare you insert reason into this.
Now just show how "reasonable" is it that the same guy leads an AD that's dead last, or next to dead last in every Directors Cup since he took the job? He was on as many or more championship teams as a back up at NDSU, than he's seen come through the doors at Iowa, by any coach he's hired, in his entire tenure!
I'd prefer that you leave your idea of "reason" out of it. It doesn't measure up.
Great call here, I spend most of the summer just dreaming of winning the Director's Cup at Iowa. It's all I think about. Let's face it, Gary Barta needs to run a clean organization, keep the big time boosters happy and comfortable, raise money, keep the facilities top notch, and win at Football and Basketball. Right now, one program is struggling...and I get the scrutiny.
People who piss and moan about the football program don't understand the fine line between winning and losing at a program like Iowa in the B10 conference. It's very fine. We are two years removed from an undefeated season and we've had serious injury issues the past two years that impacted the win loss record against top competition. Even starting two freshmen tackles, the team could have easily won 10 games this year if a few plays go their way against one of the tougher schedules in the country. Football, the cash cow, is going in the right direction despite what the whine patrol says. We played a ton of young players and that bodes well for the future...and the recruiting classes are better too.
Everyone around here reveres Hayden Fry...well...check out the last seven years Hayden put up. Five or six of the last seven would have called for his firing if he were coaching today. Kirk Ferentz wins 8 games and is one score away in 3 others and people want his head. I think technology has everyone so close to the panic button that people can't endure any type of adversity without lashing out...that the sky is falling and someone needs to be fired. Honestly...I really don't believe you have an understanding of what you criticize.
1992 Iowa 5 - 7 - 0 .
1993 Iowa 6 - 6 - 0 .
1994 Iowa 5 - 5 - 1 .
1995 Iowa 8 - 4 - 0
1996 Iowa 9 - 3 - 0
1997 Iowa 7 - 5 - 0
1998 Iowa 3 - 8 - 0
Unless there is some other metric to measure an AD's win/loss success against their peers...that's what I'm gonna use.Great call here, I spend most of the summer just dreaming of winning the Director's Cup at Iowa. It's all I think about. Let's face it, Gary Barta needs to run a clean organization, keep the big time boosters happy and comfortable, raise money, keep the facilities top notch, and win at Football and Basketball. Right now, one program is struggling...and I get the scrutiny.
People who piss and moan about the football program don't understand the fine line between winning and losing at a program like Iowa in the B10 conference. It's very fine. We are two years removed from an undefeated season and we've had serious injury issues the past two years that impacted the win loss record against top competition. Even starting two freshmen tackles, the team could have easily won 10 games this year if a few plays go their way against one of the tougher schedules in the country. Football, the cash cow, is going in the right direction despite what the whine patrol says. We played a ton of young players and that bodes well for the future...and the recruiting classes are better too.
Everyone around here reveres Hayden Fry...well...check out the last seven years Hayden put up. Five or six of the last seven would have called for his firing if he were coaching today. Kirk Ferentz wins 8 games and is one score away in 3 others and people want his head. I think technology has everyone so close to the panic button that people can't endure any type of adversity without lashing out...that the sky is falling and someone needs to be fired. Honestly...I really don't believe you have an understanding of what you criticize.
1992 Iowa 5 - 7 - 0 .
1993 Iowa 6 - 6 - 0 .
1994 Iowa 5 - 5 - 1 .
1995 Iowa 8 - 4 - 0
1996 Iowa 9 - 3 - 0
1997 Iowa 7 - 5 - 0
1998 Iowa 3 - 8 - 0
See ya.That's the best thing we could do, as Iowa fans. No ticket purchases. No apparel.
To name a few of the many reasons that KF can't carry Hayden's jock strap. To equate the 2 men is a joke. Laughable.You make a huge mistake in the argument you will never win. Factor in the "graduation" of coordinators. The OC schedule was tougher. Fry made Iowans feel good about being Iowans. The latter is the most important factor.
Already stopped. You'll have to pick up the slack for Barta.See ya.