Boise St in B10 ... .500 record?

hawkeyescott said:
There is a huge difference between beating an Oregon team in the first or second game of the year and winning a BCS bowl where you have a month to prepare and going against the likes of Ohio St, Penn St, Iowa and Wisconsin every week. I'm not saying Boise couldn't compete but they also wouldn't run the table like they do now either.
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Noody knows that for sure. Is it necessarily likely? No. But there is no way anyone can know 100% that BSU wouldn't run the table in a BCS conference this year.

And Oregon played Boise State in week 1 last year. So they had all offseason to gameplan for that game, so it wasn't really any different than preparing for a bowl game.

They can't help their schedule. And if they keep running the table and keep getting left out, they could have a case to sue. When they get hung on SOS, which they can't help because of their conference, that's basically saying: sorry, you don't play in a "big boy" conference, so you can't play for it all. Which definitely wanders into the realm of anti-trust laws.
 
BSU played one decent game last year during the regular season then whinned all year how no one would play them.
Next year they go to the Mountain West. All I can say about that; Didn't BSU want to be a contender?
3 good teams in the Mountain West how many in the Pac 10? (TCU, Utah, BYU)
How many top 10 teams did Ohio State, Texas, Florida, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Iowa..play last year?
 
tm3308 said:
Noody knows that for sure. Is it necessarily likely? No. But there is no way anyone can know 100% that BSU wouldn't run the table in a BCS conference this year.

And Oregon played Boise State in week 1 last year. So they had all offseason to gameplan for that game, so it wasn't really any different than preparing for a bowl game.

They can't help their schedule. And if they keep running the table and keep getting left out, they could have a case to sue. When they get hung on SOS, which they can't help because of their conference, that's basically saying: sorry, you don't play in a "big boy" conference, so you can't play for it all. Which definitely wanders into the realm of anti-trust laws.
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I agree, but nobody knows for sure if they could even win 6 games and get bowl eligible in a BCS conference, they probably would but you can't say for sure they would playing better teams every week.
 
My basic point is they are a good program in very weak conference. The WAC is so bad that its hard to give BSU credit in a Pac 10, SEC, B12, B10 conference. They are not in the same class as OSU, Texas, Alabama.

If they were in a BCS conference then you would expect that they would get their share of 4 star players, with an occasional 5 star. But for the first couple of years they would get beat up with the players they have now. In the B10, they would probably lose 2 or 3 conference games, finish 3rd or 4th.
 
whammer33024 said:
and honestly, who do texas and OU play in their conference?
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Well, each other for starters along with a few other true rivalries...

But if BSU beats Va Tech this year in Blacksburg, then I don't see how anyone could say a team returning 20 starters from an undefeated team last year would not at least be deserving of being in the discussion for a NC game.
 
HawkeyeDenis said:
BSU played one decent game last year during the regular season then whinned all year how no one would play them.
Next year they go to the Mountain West. All I can say about that; Didn't BSU want to be a contender?
3 good teams in the Mountain West how many in the Pac 10? (TCU, Utah, BYU)
How many top 10 teams did Ohio State, Texas, Florida, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Iowa..play last year?
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That right there is where I can see the BCS getting into trouble. If a team has to be from an AQ conference to play for the national title (which is pretty much what has happened since its inception, and what many of the posters here want to see continue), then it is breaking anti-trust laws. Those schools do not have an "equal opportunity". Not even close.
 
tm3308 said:
That right there is where I can see the BCS getting into trouble. If a team has to be from an AQ conference to play for the national title (which is pretty much what has happened since its inception, and what many of the posters here want to see continue), then it is breaking anti-trust laws. Those schools do not have an "equal opportunity". Not even close.
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The top teams in the top conferences get all the exposure. Exposure is money, and a recruiting goldmine. OSU, Texas and the other top programs get the 5 star players with a few 4 star players thrown in. The second tier teams (like Iowa)(in a BCS conf) get 4 star players with an occasional 5 star player. And it gets worse in the lesser conferences. Not a very equitible system.
 
HawkeyeDenis said:
The top teams in the top conferences get all the exposure. Exposure is money, and a recruiting goldmine. OSU, Texas and the other top programs get the 5 star players with a few 4 star players thrown in. The second tier teams (like Iowa)(in a BCS conf) get 4 star players with an occasional 5 star player. And it gets worse in the lesser conferences. Not a very equitible system.
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That's not the same thing though. It can't be called a national championship game if only members of 6 conferences are eligible to play for it.
 
"That's not the same thing though. It can't be called a national championship game if only members of 6 conferences are eligible to play for it"

I like the bowl games, but calling one of them a NC is stretching. Actually if you look at the last 20 years there have been a lot of repeat winners from those 6 conferences, so its not like every team in those 6 conferences has a shot.
 
HawkeyeDenis said:
"That's not the same thing though. It can't be called a national championship game if only members of 6 conferences are eligible to play for it"

I like the bowl games, but calling one of them a NC is stretching. Actually if you look at the last 20 years there have been a lot of repeat winners from those 6 conferences, so its not like every team in those 6 conferences has a shot.
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It's called a national championship, even though I agree that it doesn't produce a true champ. If it's a national championship, every school in the country should be eligible to compete for it.

Now I know that the Indiana's, Vandy's, and UCONN's of the country have never played for it. But they are ELIGIBLE. If they go out and put together a 12-0 season, odds are that they would get to play for the title, because they are from the Big 10 or SEC, etc. But Boise, if they run the table this year, will have had 3 straight 12-0 seasons. If they don't get in after that, then they could have a case.
 
I imagine some poindexter with a calculator could figure out the odds of a Indiana, Vandy, or a UConn winning the NC. That result would be about the same as winning the lottery.
The odds are heavily tilted towards the top few. The odds multiply expotenially for a non BCS team winning.
 
I think they are a better than .500 team in the Big 10...I'm not sure how much better, but I think they'd have a 5-3 or 6-2 in them. They have one of the most multiple offenses you'll see anyone run anywhere. Is that more reflective of their talent/coaching or their competition? I don't know, but it's sure fun to watch.
 
HawkeyeDenis said:
I imagine some poindexter with a calculator could figure out the odds of a Indiana, Vandy, or a UConn winning the NC. That result would be about the same as winning the lottery.
The odds are heavily tilted towards the top few. The odds multiply expotenially for a non BCS team winning.
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Yes, the odds are heavily favored towards the top. But ANY team in an AQ conference that puts together a 12-0 season has a strong chance to play for the title. Teams from outside the AQ conferences can't say that. Their chances are seemingly non-existant (last year's Fiesta Bowl matchup all but proved that).
 
Nice pgm

they don't have the depth of quality to kick *** in the B10

Sorry ... mid pack in this confc as the wear/ tear of taking on Wis, Mich, PSU,
OSU would wear them out


Its gonna be fun seeing how much the Illini shell out to try and get Peterson after the Zookster is gone
 
tm3308 said:
Oregon had just as long to prepare for the game, and they had been beaten the year before by BSU as well, so they already had experience playing them, and extra motivation to beat them. They didn't do it.
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Oregon did have just as long to prepare, but they also had to prepare for games against USC, Cal, Arizona, Stanford, etc. Boise St has Oregon and then a bunch of average to terrible teams the rest of the season. Not quite the same thing.
 
Boise having to play games b/b/b/b vs:

WISCONSIN
IOWA
MICHIGAN STATE
MICHIGAN


2-2 at best .....


sorry ... their depth would wear em down and having a month to run that offv vs Oklahoma or a season opener vs Org is a difft beast
 
I think Boise is a program much like Iowa that is not only coached extreemly well but is also excellent at finding and developing talent. I don't buy the Boise is under talented any more than I do with Iowa. I think both teams have peaks and valleys in talent and depth but over all they are both very simular.

I think if you put Boise St in the B10, you have another Iowa/PSU/ Wisc program from day 1. The years when their talent is younger, less developed or lacking in key areas they would struggle and in years when everything is lined up they could make a run.
 
man, boise might as well completely shut down its football program. actually, the WAC conference should completely get rid of football.

i just don't get how some of you can be so close-minded. they are the best in the conference they play in. how do you honestly know they have no depth at positions? you watch a lot of their games? you say they don't play anybody, so have they had to show if they have depth?

keep in mind guys, it wasn't long ago that people called the big 10 weak and were using it against tOSU during NC talk
 
whammer33024 said:
man, boise might as well completely shut down its football program. actually, the WAC conference should completely get rid of football.

i just don't get how some of you can be so close-minded. they are the best in the conference they play in. how do you honestly know they have no depth at positions? you watch a lot of their games? you say they don't play anybody, so have they had to show if they have depth?

keep in mind guys, it wasn't long ago that people called the big 10 weak and were using it against tOSU during NC talk
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Boise realizes how bad the WAC is, that's why they are moving to the MWC. The bottom teams in the WAC are terrible. Playing San Jose St, Rice, SMU and New Mexico St do not compare with playing the bottom of the B10 teams. While people said the B10 was weak that was compared to the SEC not compared to the WAC, no one would ever make that argument.

Even during the terrific run as of late, they are only 2-4 in their last six bowl games. They can pull of the upset of a major conference team once in a while, but they would probably be a .500 team in the B10 right now but then slide down to the bottom in a few years if they were in the conference.
 
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