Boise St in B10 ... .500 record?

ShadasRevenge said:
Then how is it that they can go up against teams like Oregon, Oregon State, and and Oklahoma, and take those teams to the woodshed?

You're right about coaching having a lot to do with it, but if you have **** players, it doesn't matter if the coach is any good.
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You aren't following.

Boise state is good enough to play with anyone in the country. What people are questioning is whether they could do that consistently against top competition, not twice a year.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
Yes, you did. If they can win the national championship, it should be assumed that they're good enough to play in said NC game.
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I never said they weren't "good enough" to play in the national championship.

Just simply that they don't deserve to be in it over a 1 loss Big Ten/SEC/ or Big 12 school. let alone an undefeated one.
 
DexterMorgan said:
You aren't following.

Boise state is good enough to play with anyone in the country. What people are questioning is whether they could do that consistently against top competition, not twice a year.
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So what? Every time they've gone up against top competetion, they've come out on top. They can't help their schedule, or that they play in the WAC.
 
DexterMorgan said:
I never said they weren't "good enough" to play in the national championship.

Just simply that they don't deserve to be in it over a 1 loss Big Ten/SEC/ or Big 12 school. let alone an undefeated one.
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Even if Boise is undefeated? You'll be disappointed come December if they run the table, because they'll be playing for the crystal football. What you said was that they didn't belong in the NC game, which could easily be interpreted as you saying they're not good enough.
 
DexterMorgan said:
I never said they weren't "good enough" to play in the national championship.

Just simply that they don't deserve to be in it over a 1 loss Big Ten/SEC/ or Big 12 school. let alone an undefeated one.
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But you are saying they're not good enough by saying they don't deserve to be there. If they're good enough, they absolutely deserve to be there.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
So what? Every time they've gone up against top competetion, they've come out on top. They can't help their schedule, or that they play in the WAC.
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I don't care whether they can help it or not. What they do is not as impressive as a 1 loss school from a big conference. In my opinion of course.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
Then how is it that they can go up against teams like Oregon, Oregon State, and and Oklahoma, and take those teams to the woodshed?

You're right about coaching having a lot to do with it, but if you have **** players, it doesn't matter if the coach is any good.
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First of all they didn't take Oklahoma to the woodshed. They won in overtime going for 2. They forced overtime by converting a 4th and forever on a hook and ladder play.

Secondly, both of these wins against Oregon and Oregon State you speak of came early in the season and the win against Oregon State in 2006 wasn't against an awesome Oregon State team. They lost 4 games that year.

The point is you stick them in a BCS conference and they are going to lose some of these games especially on the road. They have the advantage of scheming all off-season for that ONE BIG early out of conference game. Stick them in the Big 10 and let them scheme for an @Iowa, OSU, @Penn State, @Wisconsin lineup and see how they do.... They are going to lose some of those games and then probably lost to an Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, or Northwestern when they shouldn't. Just like we do almost every year.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
Even if Boise is undefeated? You'll be disappointed come December if they run the table, because they'll be playing for the crystal football. What you said was that they didn't belong in the NC game, which could easily be interpreted as you saying they're not good enough.
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You interpreted incorrectly, and yes, I will be dissapointed if they are in the MNC
 
briankaldenberg said:
First of all they didn't take Oklahoma to the woodshed. They won in overtime going for 2. They forced overtime by converting a 4th and forever on a hook and ladder play.

Secondly, both of these wins against Oregon and Oregon State you speak of came early in the season and the win against Oregon State in 2006 wasn't against an awesome Oregon State team. They lost 4 games that year.

The point is you stick them in a BCS conference and they are going to lose some of these games especially on the road. They have the advantage of scheming all off-season for that ONE BIG early out of conference game. Stick them in the Big 10 and let them scheme for an @Iowa, OSU, @Penn State, @Wisconsin lineup and see how they do. They are going to lose some of those games and then probably lost to an Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, or Northwestern when they shouldn't. Just like we do almost every year.
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you could say that about most teams in the country. really not a fair comparison. put texas in the big 10 and they would struggle with those games too
 
briankaldenberg said:
First of all they didn't take Oklahoma to the woodshed. They won in overtime going for 2. They forced overtime by converting a 4th and forever on a hook and ladder play.

Secondly, both of these wins against Oregon and Oregon State you speak of came early in the season and the win against Oregon State in 2006 wasn't against an awesome Oregon State team. They lost 4 games that year.

The point is you stick them in a BCS conference and they are going to lose some of these games especially on the road. They have the advantage of scheming all off-season for that ONE BIG early out of conference game. Stick them in the Big 10 and let them scheme for an @Iowa, OSU, @Penn State, @Wisconsin lineup and see how they do.... They are going to lose some of those games and then probably lost to an Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, or Northwestern when they shouldn't. Just like we do almost every year.
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They took every shot that Oklahoma took at them and responded in kind. Every time the Sooners went up, BSU got a score of their own or created a turnover. That BSU won that game the way they did doesn't mean it was a fluke. Give them some credit.

Do you not remember them beating Oregon last year, that same Oregon team that played in the Rose Bowl, or does that not count because it was in Boise?
 
DexterMorgan said:
again, not what I meant.

To clarify i meant They don't deserve it over a 1 loss BCS conference team.
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Yes they do. They've done all that they can to prove themselves to this point, and passed every test. Except one. And it's the one test that they can't even take, much less pass. They can't prove they can play against top competition week in and week out because they can't help it that their conference is weak. Just because a conference isn't very good doesn't mean the best team can't play in it. They deserve the chance to play for the title, because there is nothing else that they can do to prove they belong.

And the "bag of tricks" thing is overrated. They've been on the map long enough now that you should know that they have stuff like the hook and ladder, HB pass, fake punts/FG's, and the Statue of Liberty in their playbook. If a coach sees that and just figures he won't see it in the game, and doesn't prepare for it, then he deserves to get beat by plays like that. There's no excuse for a team to be caught off guard by plays like that anymore.
 
ShadasRevenge said:
They took every shot that Oklahoma took at them and responded in kind. Every time the Sooners went up, BSU got a score of their own or created a turnover. That BSU won that game the way they did doesn't mean it was a fluke. Give them some credit.

Do you not remember them beating Oregon last year, that same Oregon team that played in the Rose Bowl, or does that not count because it was in Boise?
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Yes I remember the Oregon game. An explanation for that win was already made if you read my post.

The win came early in the season, and they had all off-season to scheme for that game. Them beating Oregon last year is by no means proof or evidence that they have more talent than half of the Big 10.

That's the whole reason you listed out these teams and wins because you're trying to say it's proof that Boise is more talented than half the Big 10. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St. Ohio State, Penn St. all have more talent than Boise St.
 
briankaldenberg said:
Yes I remember the Oregon game. An explanation for that win was already made if you read my post.

The win came early in the season, and they had all off-season to scheme for that game. Them beating Oregon last year is by no means proof or evidence that they have more talent than half of the Big 10.

That's the whole reason you listed out these teams and wins because you're trying to say it's proof that Boise is more talented than half the Big 10. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St. Ohio State, Penn St. all have more talent than Boise St.
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Oregon had just as long to prepare for the game, and they had been beaten the year before by BSU as well, so they already had experience playing them, and extra motivation to beat them. They didn't do it.
 
briankaldenberg said:
I think if they played in the Big 10 they would be a 4-4 to 5-3 type team. The reason those teams are dangerous in bowl games is because the whole team believes in the system and what the coaches teach because it got them W's. When you win, everyone buys in, even if it's against sub-par competition. They also have the best athletes usually in their respective conference. A team that buys in, has decent athletes and accustomed to winning is going to be a dangerous bowl opponent.

Lickliter's system worked.. no question. But it worked because his teams at Butler bought in because they won a lot of games with that system. It wasn't working at Iowa though and the players didn't buy in.

Boise St plays in the Big 10 they are going to lose some road games, they are going to get injured more, and they are probably not going to have quite as strong team unity.
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Boise State uses a pro style offense. They don't run a spread, or veer option, or anything exotic. They line up and beat teams like Oklahoma head to head.
 
tm3308 said:
Oregon had just as long to prepare for the game, and they had been beaten the year before by BSU as well, so they already had experience playing them, and extra motivation to beat them. They didn't do it.
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Never mind that BSU had beaten Oregon in Autzen, and that LaGarette Blount had guaranteed victory. Oregon got it's *** kicked in that game.
 
There is a huge difference between beating an Oregon team in the first or second game of the year and winning a BCS bowl where you have a month to prepare and going against the likes of Ohio St, Penn St, Iowa and Wisconsin every week. I'm not saying Boise couldn't compete but they also wouldn't run the table like they do now either.
 
GravyJones said:
Boise State is really good at football, guys.
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They play in a nothing league, with a munkin QB and average O line. Last year they played one quality opponent during the regular season. This year they quality opponents on their schedule, VT and Oregon State.
So your basing "Boise State is really good at football, guys" off of 2 quality opponents? (that is if you accept that TCU was a quality opponent.)
So in two years these guys are going to play 4 quality teams, yet they should be able to compete in a real conference?
I will give you one point; They have a quality program for the conference they are in. But the idea they can compete with a Texas, Ohio State, Florida, or Alabama is rediculus. Kellen Moore is 6' (prob closer to 5'10") and 187 lbs. His line is mostly sub 300 Lb'rs with smaller backups.
 
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