Bill O'Brien Says Riley McCarron Like Wes Welker

I wonder if King or Josey were under utilized? If you can play, this staff is going to play you.
 
HawkGold said:
A 7-5 P5 teams playing 2 cupcakes and a midland team is effectively going to be below 500 against P5 opponents or 500 at best.
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You are literally describing 95% of P5 college football team's schedule. So, I can only judge the program against their peers. Some teams have tougher schedules from year to year, no disagreement - sometimes Iowa faces a tougher schedule. Iowa is facing 2 bowl qualifiers from last season and a p5 team - take a look around CFB, you're gonna be disappointed to see that the schedule isn't that bad.
 
InGoodCo said:
You can look at any team schedule in the country and make comparisons maybe sans Notre Dame. I don't buy that either. Every team in the FBS is fueling on cupcakes
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OOC this year

Indiana - plays Virginia (1st game of the season is against Ohio State, no warm up games to start the season)

Maryland - plays Texas

Michigan - Fla & Cincinatti

Michigan State - Notre Dame

Minnesota - Oregon State

Nebraska - Oregon

Ohio State - Oklahoma

Penn State - Pitt

Rutgers - Washington


^^^ That's just in one conference.
 
Joshbrown said:
OOC this year

Indiana - plays Virginia (1st game of the season is against Ohio State, no warm up games to start the season)

Maryland - plays Texas

Michigan - Fla & Cincinatti

Michigan State - Notre Dame

Minnesota - Oregon State

Nebraska - Oregon

Ohio State - Oklahoma

Penn State - Pitt

Rutgers - Washington


^^^ That's just in one conference.
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I get it, Iowa lacks a sexy partner this season in the OOC - but most seasons, before the 9 game B1G started, they were playing 2 P5 conference teams in the OOC every year. Only a handful of teams could say that. Iowa would typically play a Pitt or ACC or Pac 12 team combined with ISU. And honestly - with their B1G schedule this season - their OOC is absolutely fine.

Iowa plays Wyoming - who bowled last year.
Plays North Texas - who bowled last year
and plays ISU - which is a p5 opponent

Virginia? Was a 2 game winner last year
Oregon? Was a 4 game winner last year
Texas? was a 5 game winner last year
Notre Dame? was a 4 game winner last year
Oregon State? Was a 4 game winner last year
Cinci? Was a 4 game winner last year.

You're helping prove my point.
 
InGoodCo said:
I get it, Iowa lacks a sexy partner this season in the OOC - but most seasons, before the 9 game B1G started, they were playing 2 P5 conference teams in the OOC every year. Only a handful of teams could say that. Iowa would typically play a Pitt or ACC or Pac 12 team combined with ISU. And honestly - with their B1G schedule this season - their OOC is absolutely fine.

Iowa plays Wyoming - who bowled last year.
Plays North Texas - who bowled last year
and plays ISU - which is a p5 opponent

Texas? was a 5 game winner last year
Notre Dame? was a 4 game winner last year
Oregon State? Was a 4 game winner last year
Cinci? Was a 4 game winner last year.

You're helping prove my point.
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I'm a helper, what can I say.

BTW, I've never seen you get upset when posters say we have less talent than other squads. Or we are uniquely inexperienced. Does that ever bother you, cuz those claims seems like a slam on the coaches and I don't agree that Iowa has player issues that other teams don't have.
 
Joshbrown said:
I'm a helper, what can I say.

BTW, I've never seen you get upset when posters say we have less talent than other squads. Or we are uniquely inexperienced. Does that ever bother you, cuz that claim seems like a slam on the coaches and I don't agree with the claim.
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I think Iowa is plenty talented, as proof by the programs sustained success and pipeline of players playing at the next level. IMO - Iowa doesn't automatically get the most talented players, they build them. Nebraska destroys Iowa in regards to talent or recruiting rankings. They have all these flashy skill players that this site fawns over. Ya wanna trade places with them? I don't
 
HawkGold said:
What ever Rob. It is a feel good story. If he ends up making you honestly as a reporter don't ask why? Even if it is injury later, you really don't ask that question?
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What question? Should I look into a shooter being on the grassy knoll or if Elvis is working at a convenience story?
 
InGoodCo said:
I think Iowa is plenty talented, as proof by the programs sustained success and pipeline of players playing at the next level. IMO - Iowa doesn't automatically get the most talented players, they build them. Nebraska destroys Iowa in regards to talent or recruiting rankings. They have all these flashy skill players that this site fawns over. Ya wanna trade places with them? I don't
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First I don't respect the rankings because they are too subjective. Do I wanna switch places with Nebraska. No, but that has to do with my alumni status rather than avg wins. I do want to switch our AD with Wisconsin's. Would you be for that?
 
Joshbrown said:
First I don't respect the rankings because they are too subjective. Do I wanna switch places with Nebraska. No, but that has to do with my alumni status rather than avg wins. I do want to switch our AD with Wisconsin's. Would you be for that?
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Barry's done well for himself and I can not argue with Wisci success. I would love to have their seasons the past couple of decades. I got mad respect for what they do in both hoops and football.
 
HawkGold said:
And I get back to the premise.....why didn't he get more carries and does it impact recruiting? For me the first answer is because of the system and Yes it does impact recruiting
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Because he was Iowa's most important offensive skill player, and there was no reason to run him into the ground in low-leverage situations. The system did not prevent him from getting touches vs. Michigan and Florida.
 
CP87 said:
Because he was Iowa's most important offensive skill player, and there was no reason to run him into the ground in low-leverage situations. The system did not prevent him from getting touches vs. Michigan and Florida.
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This....and we had another back that is turning some heads in New England as a undrafted FA.
 
HawkGold said:
Staying 7-5 is a basically being below 500 for a P5 team with weak scheduling.

KF has done well. I'm not trashing that. For some, it's hard to look honestly at things. Several years ago, Alabama looked honestly at themselves and investigated what Iowa was doing on the line. Programs should evaluate constantly.
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You have been saying throughout this thread that KF is a successful coach, but not THAT successful. That is a reasonable stance, although others could reasonably disagree depending upon how you factor in Iowa's historical level of success and inherent headwinds and tailwinds.

But saying KF has been "basically being below 0.500...for a P5 team" is just not accurate. If you just look at B1G record (B1G is made up of all P5 teams last I checked), he is 82-63 (average of 4.5-3.5 per season). If you wanted to be generous and throw out his first 0-8 season, he averages 4.8 wins to 3.2 losses, or 1-2 games above 0.500 per season over the last 17 years.

If you want to look at distribution, it goes like this:

0-8 --> 1
2-6 --> 2
3-5 --> 1
4-4 --> 5
5-3 --> 4
6-3 --> 1
6-2 --> 1
7-1 --> 1
8-0 --> 2

4 losing seasons, 5 0.500 seasons, 9 winning seasons. Not elite, but certainly not below average.
 
Did anyone else notice that the debate went from:

"Iowa fuels up on cupcakes just like everyone else"

to

"Iowa has a respectable OOC just like everyone else"

Ain't the internet fun.:D
 
Joshbrown said:
Did anyone else notice that the debate went from:

"Iowa fuels up on cupcakes just like everyone else"

to

"Iowa has a respectable OOC just like everyone else"

Ain't the internet fun.:D
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well seriously - we can't just put blind faith into bullsh*t. You listed 9 OOC games that you considered to be sexy compared to Iowa and 6 of these teams failed to win 6 games last year.
 
RobHowe said:
You're taking a positive story and trying to mold you negative attitudes towards the program around it. You do it consistently on these boards and it's tiring. As I said, it's predictable. It doesn't make it any less tiring. And if you continue to do it and will continue to point it out.

You have this collection of negative observations from the last 20 years that you bring up during multiple discussions, trying to pound home your points. We get it. You don't like KF and how he runs his program.

This could have been a thread talking about unheralded McCarron making a move for an NFL roster spot. Instead, you turn it into your agenda that Iowa can't get top athletes because it's too conservative. That's what you've done. Maybe you can find a way to get rhabdo into the discussion.
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Post. Of. Year.
 
RobHowe said:
You're taking a positive story and trying to mold you negative attitudes towards the program around it. You do it consistently on these boards and it's tiring. As I said, it's predictable. It doesn't make it any less tiring. And if you continue to do it and will continue to point it out.

You have this collection of negative observations from the last 20 years that you bring up during multiple discussions, trying to pound home your points. We get it. You don't like KF and how he runs his program.

This could have been a thread talking about unheralded McCarron making a move for an NFL roster spot. Instead, you turn it into your agenda that Iowa can't get top athletes because it's too conservative. That's what you've done. Maybe you can find a way to get rhabdo into the discussion.
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You bring up an interesting point Rob. Rhabdo is probably why McCarron is doing so well.
 
InGoodCo said:
I get it, Iowa lacks a sexy partner this season in the OOC - but most seasons, before the 9 game B1G started, they were playing 2 P5 conference teams in the OOC every year. Only a handful of teams could say that. Iowa would typically play a Pitt or ACC or Pac 12 team combined with ISU. And honestly - with their B1G schedule this season - their OOC is absolutely fine.

Iowa plays Wyoming - who bowled last year.
Plays North Texas - who bowled last year
and plays ISU - which is a p5 opponent

Virginia? Was a 2 game winner last year
Oregon? Was a 4 game winner last year
Texas? was a 5 game winner last year
Notre Dame? was a 4 game winner last year
Oregon State? Was a 4 game winner last year
Cinci? Was a 4 game winner last year.

You're helping prove my point.
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It's also proof that there are too many bowls.

You really think Wyoming and North Texas carry more prestige than Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame... even Oregon St, Cincinnati and Virginia? really...?
 
InGoodCo said:
I get it, Iowa lacks a sexy partner this season in the OOC - but most seasons, before the 9 game B1G started, they were playing 2 P5 conference teams in the OOC every year. Only a handful of teams could say that. Iowa would typically play a Pitt or ACC or Pac 12 team combined with ISU. And honestly - with their B1G schedule this season - their OOC is absolutely fine.

Iowa plays Wyoming - who bowled last year.
Plays North Texas - who bowled last year
and plays ISU - which is a p5 opponent

Virginia? Was a 2 game winner last year
Oregon? Was a 4 game winner last year
Texas? was a 5 game winner last year
Notre Dame? was a 4 game winner last year
Oregon State? Was a 4 game winner last year
Cinci? Was a 4 game winner last year.

You're helping prove my point.
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I agree. And you aren't trying to convince us we are playing a hard OOC, just back off that it is such a cupcake.
And this won't matter come late November. If we finish with 6,7,8 wins nobody will scrutinize the schedule. If we are 12-0 and screaming we shouldn't be in the NC game, scream away, great to be part of the elite in said year. BigTen schedule makes up for all.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
It's also proof that there are too many bowls.

You really think Wyoming and North Texas carry more prestige than Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame... even Oregon St, Cincinnati and Virginia? really...?
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No, didn't say that but last season they both had better seasons.
 
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