Biggest Concerns Following Saturday's Scrimmage

[RocknRollface]

Disagree on the last sentence.

And KoK got multiple passes for 2003/2004 with player injuries/whole unit decimation.

Like I said, KoK did some head-scratchers (every coordinator has). But we moved the ball with his offenses. Players who had (seemingly) no business on a D-1 field became good role players, and some times stood out. The mistakes we saw WERE usually a matter of execution.

The mistakes we see now? Most can't be explained.

This not at all reality.

Koks offenses were not good, they were bad more often than not. They did not score points . Their offensive rankings were bad. Just like they are now. The difference is negligible. It's more bad Kirk Ferentz style offense just like always.

KOK was despised by fans because they were sure he was the problem. You are just completely glossing over that time period.

There were songs on the radio about how much people hated KOK.


KOK was a scapegoat just like Davis.

The difference is now most people realize KOK was not the problem, and since things have changed very little, Davis is not THE problem either.

It does not matter who the offensive coordinator is. Kirks extra careful, avoid mistakes and turnovers at all costs will always result in bad offenses.

 

[RocknRollface]

Umm...wouldn't you be after the last few seasons?

And as an OL coach (at least historically), I would think that's where he spends more time. But he definitely said he is NOT that involved in the offense, and prefers to "leave it to the experts", per se.

THAT is what gets me. How can he see what happens week-in/week-out and NOT be more concerned? How can he defend GD? (OK, publicly, sure, because he isn't a throw-anyone-under-the-bus type) He has said, on MULTIPLE occasions, that GD is great at his job! WTH?!

NO you are mistaken, KF has definitely said offense IS where he spends most of his time.

 

[RocknRollface]

I notice some people on here that insist on being negative no matter what, and if someone is positive their only recourse is to start name calling. It's a shame.

Ive noticed some people on here who aren't fooling anyone.

 

[StanziUSA]

You are posting about this team as if they should be mid season ready right now. ITS SPRING BALL, RELAX. drop balls by Vandy or anyone will happen, Iowa has the best OL development in the country, it's early they'll be ready. Post this in mid-late October not April, not 4 months until official practices start, jeez.

 

[hawkeye4life68]

Iowa has the best OL development in the country, it's early they'll be ready.

LOL. Unfortunately for you there's actual data that proves otherwise. Unless you think that because Iowa has put some individuals in the NFL that translates to success as a unit every year. Which wouldn't be surprising in the least.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

LOL. Unfortunately for you there's actual data that proves otherwise. Unless you think that because Iowa has put some individuals in the NFL that translates to success as a unit every year. Which wouldn't be surprising in the least.

It's not the best in the country. But OL development has been pretty darn good, there is loads of data that proves that. There's plenty to botch about regarding Hawkeye Football, OL development is not one of them.

What's the data you have? Does it have to do with offenaive production? I'm guess factors like RB, WR, lack of vertical passing may weigh in as well.

 

[hawkeye4life68]

It's not the best in the country. But OL development has been pretty darn good, there is loads of data that proves that. There's plenty to botch about regarding Hawkeye Football, OL development is not one of them.

What's the data you have? Does it have to do with offenaive production? I'm guess factors like RB, WR, lack of vertical passing may weigh in as well.

There's loads of data to show Iowa puts individual linemen into the NFL. Collectively as a unit they are average at best on an almost yearly basis. Who cares how many individuals we put in the NFL if collectively they get manhandled by the likes of ISU and Ball State?

Look up for yourself where we have finished in total rushing, yards per rush and sacks allowed since Ferentz has been here and then get back to me about how great we are.

 

[RocknRollface]

There's loads of data to show Iowa puts individual linemen into the NFL. Collectively as a unit they are average at best on an almost yearly basis. Who cares how many individuals we put in the NFL if collectively they get manhandled by the likes of ISU and Ball State?

Look up for yourself where we have finished in total rushing, yards per rush and sacks allowed since Ferentz has been here and then get back to me about how great we are.

Its like anything else with Iowa football under KF. The collective is less than the sum of the parts.

Iowa needs just about an entire offensive unit of future pros to be above average moving the ball because of the schemes.

So both of you are right. Yes probably half these guys will end up in the pros because they will be very well coached on fundamentals. And yes, as with nearly every year we will struggle to run the ball.

 

[Hawknick]

Ball State did not man handle the O-line. In fact during 4th quarter comeback comeback they gave JR all day to pass the ball with little to no pressure.

 

[Hawknigh]

LOL. Unfortunately for you there's actual data that proves otherwise. Unless you think that because Iowa has put some individuals in the NFL that translates to success as a unit every year. Which wouldn't be surprising in the least.

Maybe it isn't true, but it sure seems that Iowa OL are going to the NFL all the time. And the media seems pretty quick to try to identify the next one, even a couple of years out.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

Maybe it isn't true, but it sure seems that Iowa OL are going to the NFL all the time. And the media seems pretty quick to try to identify the next one, even a couple of years out.

True, Iowa develops great individuals.

When it comes to a contending Big10 championship team, well it's been at least six years since we've had that.

More often than not, we are an average team that puts players into the pros from a non skill position. Not a bad thing for those who get drafted

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

There's loads of data to show Iowa puts individual linemen into the NFL. Collectively as a unit they are average at best on an almost yearly basis. Who cares how many individuals we put in the NFL if collectively they get manhandled by the likes of ISU and Ball State?

Look up for yourself where we have finished in total rushing, yards per rush and sacks allowed since Ferentz has been here and then get back to me about how great we are.

like i said, play calling, RB talent, and qb play has quite a bit to do with total rushing, yards per rush, and sacks allowed (no vertical attack allows for pass rush every play). I don't argue the OL is not elite, but given Iowa's continued challenges in recruiting, that would suggest OL development is still well above avg, even very good.

As so many here point out, offensive philosophy and overly conservative game plan hampers offensive production.

We have offensive issues, no doubt, oline play and development is probably dead last in all things to complain about, offensive wise, over the last 5-6 years.

 

[iowalaw]

What are the odds that one of the true freshman quarterbacks, who are still currently attending class in high school, see the field next year? My guess is at least a 25% chance. We have one dual threat quarterback at starter, and a back up and cannot even handle the snaps. No one else on the roster. Fingers crossed that CJ stays healthy.

 

[Benddontbreak]

Vince Young won that NC for Texas, not Davis or Mack.

Davis got run from Texas with much better talent and in a league that didn't believe in defense outside of OU, and Texas, somewhat.

Fine, but how bout when McCoy went down and they nearly beat Bama in the NC with a frosh QB? Mack Brown totes went on to prove that it was all Davis’ fault.

 

[Benddontbreak]

There's loads of data to show Iowa puts individual linemen into the NFL. Collectively as a unit they are average at best on an almost yearly basis. Who cares how many individuals we put in the NFL if collectively they get manhandled by the likes of ISU and Ball State?

Look up for yourself where we have finished in total rushing, yards per rush and sacks allowed since Ferentz has been here and then get back to me about how great we are.

LOL go back and look at the push our o-line was consistently getting last year against 8-9 man fronts. There’s a reason that when we have a halfway decent RB that can hit the cutback lanes, they win the Doak Walker Award, hit 1,400 yards as a soph, break frosh rushing records, etc. The problem is having a Fullback getting 600 carries since Coker left.

 

[NCHawker]

True, Iowa develops great individuals.

When it comes to a contending Big10 championship team, well it's been at least six years since we've had that.

More often than not, we are an average team that puts players into the pros from a non skill position. Not a bad thing for those who get drafted

This is so true. Just another way of slicing and dicing the state of affairs in Iowa city.

After 2013 I was thinking maybe the fun was going to be back in Iowa city for a few years.

 

[NCHawker]

Couple takes from the scrimmage-

Jaleel- looked good. Deep in the backfield all day. Meier- Also made a couple of nice plays.


Drills- appears the coaches did get some value from the trips they took. The rb's in particular had a lot of new drills this year that they had to have picked up somewhere?

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I read somewhere that they visited UCLA in the offseason.

 

[StanziUSA]

LOL. Unfortunately for you there's actual data that proves otherwise. Unless you think that because Iowa has put some individuals in the NFL that translates to success as a unit every year. Which wouldn't be surprising in the least.

As far as data, where's yours saying our OL development is bad. Good one there guy.

 

[DDThompson]

My biggest concern is for people to make a big deal out of a spring scrimmage.

SPRING

SCRIMMAGE.

 

[iowalaw]

Since when is it a "big deal" to have concerns about a pretty weak showing at next year's team's first showcase following a dismal performance in a bowl game? To not be concerned shows that either you are not legitimate fan who cares about Hawkeye football, or that you have your head completely buried in the sand. But go on thinking that just because the guys looked like a sub par team in the spring scrimmage, they are suddenly going to get an infusion of talent over the summer and crack the pre-season top 25 rankings next year thanks to all that "development" and "Doylization" that goes on between now and September.

My biggest concern is for people to make a big deal out of a spring scrimmage.

SPRING

SCRIMMAGE.