MultipleDundieAwardWinner
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Michigan State has the best returning QB in the league, which should put them on top for pre-season.
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Michigan State has the best returning QB in the league, which should put them on top for pre-season.
MelroseHawkins
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Geeawd!! I hope the heck Nebby doesn't win the title or league. I'm getting sick to my stomach thinking about it. It would just fuel their fans up & we (The BIG) would never hear the end of it.
Section136
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Nebraska will not make the Big Ten Title game in year 1.
Go back and watch Nebby/TX. (I think). The announcer, talks about exactly what the other poster in here said. "Nebraskas LB's are undersized for speed". Now way they hold up all year. Teams will pound until they find a crack and then they will just keep making that crack bigger and bigger. Problem is even if anyone can get 4-5 yards a crack, they will continue to do just that until either Nebby can stop them and we know they are not the best trained/sized at stopping the run. Every team is going to bring their A game against Nebby. Beatings like that take there toll on any team, much less a team that was built to stop the spread. When they over commit pap will eat them up.
As for their O, the O you watched last year, #1 will change a bit and #2 was against far less talented and ranked D's then they will meet this year. So even if the O improves, it may not look like it. Tough spot to be in as the new OC. You improve but it doesnt show because you are playing better D's. I wonder if they will be smart enough to figure that out or if they will be calling for his head by seasons end.
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MultipleDundieAwardWinner
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This is just wrong. I bothered to, you know, look it up, and Nebraska's LBs have an average weight that is higher than Iowa's. They have older, more experienced starters, including a returning All-American.
Yes I know what is in print as well. I am going by what I saw on the field as well as what people at the games said. Funny how those darn printed numbers are never right is'nt it? Happens in all sports, why would you think ncaa football is any different?
Hawkeye11en1
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You extremely over-analyze the "spread" offenses in the B12. I'd argue you would recruit nearly the same players for defense if you were trying to stop the spread or the power run, you just use those players differently and have different schemes.
Your telling me if you had a whole season trying to defend Missery's O, you would recruit and train the same as if you had a whole season defending Wiskey's O? I agree the lines might be close, but anything behind D line is different. How different remains to be seen. I think it is enough that we will see just how deep they are back there.
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74Hunter
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I will agree with the poster who said that you wayyyyyy over analyze the whole spread offense/LB/can't hold up, "toughness" of the Big 10, etc.
When we played texa$$ last year, I believe that both Compton and Fisher were out injured, so essentially, we had David (normally who would play Weakside) playing Middle, and we had 2 safeties (Hagg and Gomes) filling in at spots. Essentially we were running a 4-1-6 defense. You won't see as much of that this year.
Against more traditional teams like Wisconsin and Iowa, I would be willing to bet that we see more traditional 4-3, as well as some fronts with 3 DTs, where we can run anything from a 3-3, a 4-3, or a 5-2 front depending on the situation. Also keep in mind that many times, due to us facing QBs that were mobile or good scramblers, we held back our pass rush to contain said QBs. We will be able to turn that pass rush loose more with less mobile QBs.
As for #2 and the rest of the bolded, well, the way that the Big 10 defenses showed up in the bowl games, when they had to face far more talented and better offenses, say differently.
I'm more worried about our offensive execution than I am the defenses we will be playing against this year.
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Fixed it for you. if you want to look up how many top 25 D's the B12 had last year compared to the B10, be my guest.
74Hunter
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All I had to do is look at how many points they gave up in bowl games to get an idea about the quality of the defense.
When you play Charminy-soft offenses, you can pad your defensive stats to look good.
MultipleDundieAwardWinner
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So printed numbers are inaccurate, but that one time you heard announcers say it makes it set in stone and irrefutable? While I often admire your homerism olddude, your tenuous grasp of logic is often baffling.
When you play soft D's you can pad your O numbers. I am only going by national ranking of D's. You played how many top 25 D's last year? How many (going by last years rankings) will you play this year?
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Well maybe, some old players can weigh in on this. Every player I know that played at the second level has told me the numbers are not always right. Heck if they are right, we dont need radar guns for fast balls, we will just go by what the school says. No need for the combine, we already know how much they can lift, how fast they are, how big they are.
If you are such a homer to think the numbers put up on athletic sites are current or accurate, lord help you.
Did it ever cross your mind that those numbers are old or just plain padded? Why did Bo say he was trying to add weight to "some" players? If you use those numbers to "predict" you are a fool. Only way to know is to watch and rewatch the games, and yes people on sight have a better place to "watch" from. While I dont always agree with Jon, his ability to attend more games than I, means something. Try popping in a Iowa game from last year, watch 10 mins, then pop in a Nebraska game.
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74Hunter
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I don't care what their rankings are. When you play soft offenses week after week, the defensive numbers become inflated.
I'm going off of what was given up in the bowl games. Unless I missed something, in the 8 bowl games that Big 10 teams played they gave up: 24, 14, 45, 37, 49, 52, 21, and 26.
Big 10 defenses gave up an average of 33.5 points per bowl game when they had to play offenses that were not associated with the Big 10. That is a more telling story, imo.
Nebraska fans are something else. I have heard how Wiskey lost to a mid major in their bowl, yet none of you ever looked at what TCU's D was ranked, wasnt TCU #1 in points against? AND 10th in rushing??. You guys gave up 17 to Missery in your own house yet Iowa gave up 24 in the desert. Then factor in how many big bowls did the B12 go to? OK gets Uconn are you kidding me?? So yeah it makes sence when you play in bigger bowls you play better competition.
Wow football 101: Hello!!!
Hawkeye11en1
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That is playing other B10 schools. I realize you can't take bowl games as end-all facts, but he is right, the B10 gave up a ton of points in bowl games to other conferences. The fact that you think Nebraska's D won't be pretty good in the B10 is ridiculous. Minus D-Rob and Pryor (last year), the B10 didn't have too many "explosive" offenses. The B10, as a league, tends to be more of a control the ball/running style of league. It is going to lead to better (looking) defenses and less offense (minus a few exceptions on both ends).
I'm not saying Nebraska will win the B10, but to think that they will have a D that can't "stand" the pounding of the B10 is just plain wrong.
Hawkeye11en1
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How is that an argument in any way, shape or form?
I was not saying their D wont be any good at all. I was saying it has a weak spot. That weak spot tends to be exactly what many B10 teams are good at.
giving up one more score in a neutral site is not bad. I wonder if Mizzery would have gotten 24 on us in Kinnick?? Which actually is a whole different convo. But begs to hear the idea on if 74 thinks it will be easier to win in camp randall or the big house or the shoe, compared to oh I dont know say Jack Trice, even if all the teams that call those places home were exactly the same. So yea I think 17 and 24 is about equal. That make sence??
ShockRerun
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Nebraska was up 24 to 0 after the first quarter, garbage time points dont really count.
