Big Ten Media create their own poll...results

olddude said:
74 you are right, a few pounds does not make or break. I just think LB is a weak spot on Nebraskas D. Size, training and technique combined with being the new guy, and everybody trying to run against you (Nebraskas hard to throw against). Well when you add those things up, we might see how deep you are back there. That was my point. Not that your D will be horrible. We have some good coaches in the B10, they like to be able to throw and run, with that they will try and find a weak spot and expose it. I know all teams try and do that but it just seems like we have more "balanced" teams and that helps in finding the crack. I once heard someone say B10 ball is where they just keep "denting" the other team until something breaks. Since you guys are so stellar on coverage and the arguement could be made less than stellar or stopping the run, I would suspect almost all the B10 teams to try and use that. That could make for a long season for you guys. How well your DL and LB's hold up and play will be the key. Atleast thats how I see it.
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Because that will be different from every other team. Why don't you just state that if their players play good they can win. Great statement. :rolleyes:

So I am football challenged, huh? After reading several of your posts I can clearly state that I have a better understanding of how football is played.
 


Hawkeye11en1 said:
Because that will be different from every other team. Why don't you just state that if their players play good they can win. Great statement. :rolleyes:

So I am football challenged, huh? After reading several of your posts I can clearly state that I have a better understanding of how football is played.
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C'mon, Olddude knows football better than you, better than Vegas, and better than reporters. How else could he hijack two pages based on something he heard an announcer say during a game? If he says the Big 10 is too tough for Nebraska, then it's too tough for Nebraska.
 


MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
C'mon, Olddude knows football better than you, better than Vegas, and better than reporters. How else could he hijack two pages based on something he heard an announcer say during a game? If he says the Big 10 is too tough for Nebraska, then it's too tough for Nebraska.
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Yur right. Thanks for taking me back down to Earth. :D:D
 


I got an idea, why dont you stop cheating off me and do it yourself then? Thats a novel idea put me on ignore and contribute something yourself, besides correcting people's spelling errors. Trust me I have "homework" to back up what I say. I have yet to see any of your kind come up with anything that was your own thought and then have the proof to back it up. But then again such students of the game as yourselves, dont need proof do you? Na you just think it or say it therefore it must be. Or you just copy what someone else dug up.
Ok4p always gripes about moochers, yet I doubt I could carry on more than a 2 min football with people like you, in 2 min you would have spent all that vast knowledge on football you have. If you want to argue football with me you better pack a lunch and bring some facts with you. Frigging wannabe's.
I love how in these disscussions I use facts and you guys are like "I love lamp".
If you guys are as good with the women as you are with football I bet the ladies always called you "a one pump chump".
 
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olddude said:
I got an idea, why dont you stop cheating off me and do it yourself then? Thats a novel idea put me on ignore and contribute something yourself, besides correcting people's spelling errors. Trust me I have "homework" to back up what I say. I have yet to see any of your kind come up with anything that was your own thought and then have the proof to back it up. But then again such students of the game as yourselves, dont need proof do you? Na you just think it or say it therefore it must be. Or you just copy what someone else dug up.
Ok4p always gripes about moochers, yet I doubt I could carry on more than a 2 min football with people like you, in 2 min you would have spent all that vast knowledge on football you have. If you want to argue football with me you better pack a lunch and bring some facts with you. Frigging wannabe's.
I love how in these disscussions I use facts and you guys are like "I love lamp".
If you guys are as good with the women as you are with football I bet the ladies always called you "a one pump chump".
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LOL doing your "homework", huh? Like you saying a LB is 10 lbs less than what it says in their bio!?!? That's your "homework" that makes your arguments true statements? The fact that you have "watched the game film" makes what you say true statements? I find myself laughing when I read most of your posts. You say things like "the SEC doesn't have as good as defense as the B10" and "Cam Newton couldn't last a full season in the B10" and you back it up by using your "homework", like "there are more top 25 defenses in the B10".

There are so many variables in the uber amazing "homework" that you do, and it really doesn't back up anything you ever say. Then your amazing statements like "the NU DL & LB's will need to hold up". Really? That is what you are supposedly teaching us? I don't need to go look up anything to know that is the case for every team. I don't need to look up anything to know that a mobile QB (or any player, for that matter) has just as good of chance to get hurt in the B10 as any other conference (another one of your gems), either.

BTW, if you want your argument to look worth a damn, you may want to work on your editing skills. I can't read half the crap you are spewing. 4th grade must have been really difficult for you. (See, I can throw out insults, too).
 


Thats right one pump chump. I can tell you dont understand anything I have said. Thats how I know you are "football challenged". I think there line will hold up. The argument was on players numbers, but had you actually played or knew anyone who did, you would not be arguing this. You talk about that bio only being 4 pounds off yet never thought that that bio was changed when?? He is now at 221 and was at what 210 when they put him down at 225. My spelling skills may be at a 4th grade level but my 9 year old girl knows more about football and what to look for than you do. You are just another loud mouthed fan. The kind I hate worse than any. The kind that spews opinions with out offering one shred of evidence. Your the DB that high jacked this thread, 74 may be a Nebraska fan but atleast he knows football (or is a real student of the game) and this convo started out between him and I if I remember right. If you ever cared to actually put any effort into anything rather than be a one pump chump, you would see almost all weights are wrong, a good example is Ballard bio = 6'5" @ 297, then when he went to the combine he shrunk an inch and lost 14 pounds. Yes you can argue he slimmed down 14 pounds maybe to get more speed (he is a DL) but he also shrunk an inch?? Seems to be the norm, if you ever cared to look. They all somehow dont match up to what their heigth and weight are. Thats either #1 just plain amazing #2 I am right or #3 both #1 and #2 and your a football tard.
BTW what did you bring for lunch? Dont worry I will be serving your kind crow for as long as I am around.
So there you go football 101.
 
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olddude said:
Thats right one pump chump. I can tell you dont understand anything I have said. Thats how I know you are "football challenged". I think there line will hold up. The argument was on players numbers, but had you actually played or knew anyone who did, you would not be arguing this. You talk about that bio only being 4 pounds off yet never thought that that bio was changed when?? He is now at 221 and was at what 210 when they put him down at 225. My spelling skills may be at a 4th grade level but my 9 year old girl knows more about football and what to look for than you do. You are just another loud mouthed fan. The kind I hate worse than any. The kind that spews opinions with out offering one shred of evidence. Your the DB that high jacked this thread, 74 may be a Nebraska fan but atleast he knows football and this convo started out between him and I if I remember right. If you ever cared to actually put any effort into anything rather than be a one pump chump, you would see almost all weights are wrong, a good example is Ballard bio = 6'5" @ 297, then when he went to the combine he shrunk an inch and lost 14 pounds. Yes you can argue he slimmed down 14 pounds maybe to get more speed (he is a DL) but he also shrunk an inch?? Seems to be the norm, if you ever cared to look. They all somehow dont match up to what their heigth and weight are. Thats either #1 just plain amazing #2 I am right or #3 both #1 and #2 and your a football tard.
BTW what did you bring for lunch? Dont worry I will be serving your kind crow for as long as I am around.
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Let me get this correct, then.

1. You are arguing 10-15 lbs on a bio. That's what you are arguing? How do you know his bio wasn't changed this year and they are just padding 4 lbs? So you are arguing that the height and weight on a bio don't mean anything. I get it. Great argument. You must be the smartest man alive. And who really gives a ****? Whether you weigh 210 or 225, you can compete in the B10 if you have the skill and the mindset. Yes, 225 will help if the other 2 are equal. James Morris proved that he can compete at 210 or so and as he gets bigger, faster and smarter, he will most likely get better.

2. I played with and against the likes of Brandon Myers, Bret Meyer and Todd Blythe to name a few, along with the rest of the best players in the state at the 2003 Shrine Bowl. So yes, I did play, do know people that still do, and do understand football at a high level. Your awesome arguments about player bio's not meaning a thing, among other things, are...well, laughable.
 


BTW, this is what seemed like your original argument. Seems to say they will not hold up in the B10 because they aren't trained/sized at stopping the run.

So doesn't that directly contradict your statement of "I think their line will hold up"?


olddude said:
Go back and watch Nebby/TX. (I think). The announcer, talks about exactly what the other poster in here said. "Nebraskas LB's are undersized for speed". Now way they hold up all year. Teams will pound until they find a crack and then they will just keep making that crack bigger and bigger. Problem is even if anyone can get 4-5 yards a crack, they will continue to do just that until either Nebby can stop them and we know they are not the best trained/sized at stopping the run. Every team is going to bring their A game against Nebby. Beatings like that take there toll on any team, much less a team that was built to stop the spread. When they over commit pap will eat them up.
As for their O, the O you watched last year, #1 will change a bit and #2 was against far less talented and ranked D's then they will meet this year. So even if the O improves, it may not look like it. Tough spot to be in as the new OC. You improve but it doesnt show because you are playing better D's. I wonder if they will be smart enough to figure that out or if they will be calling for his head by seasons end.
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Hawkeye11en1 said:
Let me get this correct, then.


2. I played with and against the likes of Brandon Myers, Bret Meyer and Todd Blythe to name a few, along with the rest of the best players in the state at the 2003 Shrine Bowl. So yes, I did play, do know people that still do, and do understand football at a high level. Your awesome arguments about player bio's not meaning a thing, among other things, are...well, laughable.
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So you played for Iowa?
 




I said, I dont think thier LB's will hold up. I said I think that is the weak spot in thier D. I said I think the B10 is way better at running than the B12. I said if I see that as thier weak spot I think it is very possible that people way smarter than I may come up with that also. I said if they do come up with that, they can expect to be ran at very hard and many times, to test that weak spot. I said no matter what team you are, if every team on your schedule tries that and you cant defend it for whatever reason it is going to be a long season. I said even if you can defend it, expect it to take it's toll. I said being the new guy to expect everyone to "bring it" just a bit more. I said almost exclusively defending the spread requires a different skill set, which would (I THINK) require different training, weather that be drills, learning of O's and everything else. He somewhat backed that up with points allowed in bowl games by all B10 teams.
I feel like comparing them coming into the B10 would be like Iowa playing Wisky for 12 games straight. Maybe not that bad, but you get the jest of it.

He said depth is a question.
 
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olddude said:
I said, I dont think thier LB's will hold up. I said I think that is the weak spot in thier D. I said I think the B10 is way better at running than the B12. I said if I see that as thier weak spot I think it is very possible that people way smarter than I may come up with that also. I said if they do come up with that, they can expect to be ran at very hard and many times, to test that weak spot. I said no matter what team you are, if every team on your schedule tries that and you cant defend it for whatever reason it is going to be a long season. I said even if you can defend it, expect it to take it's toll.
I feel like comparing them coming into the B10 would be like Iowa playing Wisky for 12 games straight. Maybe not that bad, but you get the jest of it.
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Ok, I'm not going to go dig up the exact words that were stated because I'll just take this as your final argument and leave it at that. Which is an OK argument...however Iowa has 3 LB's who are more than likely going to be seeing considerable PT and they are all listed under 220. I guess I think they will do a fine job this year against the B10, just as I think the LB's for Nebraska will do a fine job. If either squad suffers some injuries I could see some major problems.

Now I know you said that what they are listed at shouldn't matter...but it's got to be within 10-15 lbs and Kirksey better not weigh 175.

So do you think Iowa LB's will be fine at those weights? Or do you have doubts about them as well? I guess my thoughts are that you probably know more about Iowa's LBers and their skillsets than NU's, which is sorta why you would favor IA more. Just like 74 would for NU.
 


olddude said:
Ah yes HS ball, sorry. Give your friends that are still playing a call and see if they dont verify what I said about going by "those numbers".
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HS ball against kids that were nearly all headed to college to play ball. It's a tad different, there pal. But I'm sure you wouldn't know that.
 


To the last two post, yes I do have some concern for our guys as well. I hope instead of padding they are shaving the numbers. Problem we have is balance. Norm seems to be going smaller/faster to help with the spread teams. He is smarter than I, so in Norm I trust. I just hope they spend alot of time with Doyle and are following some good nutrition advise.
I know what the shrine bowl is. I did not play in it. HS ball at any level is not the same as D1. I have MANY friends that "could have been offered" and some that were. No one to a big D1 program. Even a jump from HS to D2 or 3 is a big jump (or so I am told). I just didnt have the frame for it. I was told to continue on with pitching in baseball.
 


olddude said:
To the last two post, yes I do have some concern for our guys as well. I hope instead of padding they are shaving the numbers. Problem we have is balance. Norm seems to be going smaller/faster to help with the spread teams. He is smarter than I, so in Norm I trust. I just hope they spend alot of time with Doyle and are following some good nutrition advise.
I know what the shrine bowl is. I did not play in it. HS ball at any level is not the same as D1. I have MANY friends that "could have been offered" and some that were. No one to a big D1 program. Even a jump from HS to D2 or 3 is a big jump (or so I am told). I just didnt have the frame for it. I was told to continue on with pitching in baseball.
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Never said HS ball was the same as D1 because that would be, well, asinine, but there were quite a few kids in that game that went D1, and plenty others who played D2 or 3. My point was I played with and around talented players, and it wasn't because of my size, that's for sure.

So if Norm is going smaller/faster for the spread teams, and you trust him...why do you think NU (who played against these so called "spread teams" last year) will struggle? If you say they don't have the depth, then fine, but I really don't see much depth in our LB core either. I believe, barring injury, both teams will do very well defensively in the B10.
 


Hawkeye11en1 said:
Never said HS ball was the same as D1 because that would be, well, asinine, but there were quite a few kids in that game that went D1, and plenty others who played D2 or 3. My point was I played with and around talented players, and it wasn't because of my size, that's for sure.

So if Norm is going smaller/faster for the spread teams, and you trust him...why do you think NU (who played against these so called "spread teams" last year) will struggle? If you say they don't have the depth, then fine, but I really don't see much depth in our LB core either. I believe, barring injury, both teams will do very well defensively in the B10.
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74 said they dont have depth not me. I know Norm is smarter than I am, and yes we have questions at LB also. I think our program produces better linemen than almost any other program and that could help with those questions at LB. I am not 100% sold on this smaller/faster thing, I think it could work but depth will remain a concern with that approach. If it goes off without a hitch it speaks volumes about our "training" program. Everything from reads to Doyle working his magic to drills and so on. It didnt go off last year without a hitch did it??
 


olddude said:
74 said they dont have depth not me. I know Norm is smarter than I am, and yes we have questions at LB also. I think our program produces better linemen than almost any other program and that could help with those questions at LB. I am not 100% sold on this smaller/faster thing, I think it could work but depth will remain a concern with that approach. If it goes off without a hitch it speaks volumes about our "training" program. Everything from reads to Doyle working his magic to drills and so on. It didnt go off last year without a hitch did it??
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I'm not sure if I totally understand your question, but I do believe that part (not all, but it does have an effect) of our issues on defense, especially late in games, was due to Norm not being there. Our defense had some troubles due to injuries (and really they were still pretty darn good, just not really that clutch) and the fact that he wasn't around didn't help anything.
 


Hawkeye11en1 said:
I'm not sure if I totally understand your question, but I do believe that part (not all, but it does have an effect) of our issues on defense, especially late in games, was due to Norm not being there. Our defense had some troubles due to injuries (and really they were still pretty darn good, just not really that clutch) and the fact that he wasn't around didn't help anything.
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No it didnt help, the man is about as good as it gets. Has a great mind and he just will not quit, I guess thats why he is such a great coach. Injuries killed us last year on D and all the pot smoking and getting girls knocked up and some injuries killed us on O. It was really one of those "could have been" years. Now Norm is back hopefully no more girls end up preggo and maybe the boys can refrain from lighting up for awhile, only thing left is injuries. We do have an easier go of it this year, maybe that will help out the injuries a bit, I dont know.
 


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