Big Ten Media create their own poll...results

[74Hunter]

Well maybe, some old players can weigh in on this. Every player I know that played at the second level has told me the numbers are not always right.....Did it ever cross your mind that those numbers are old or just plain padded?

Sure, those #'s aren't 100% accurate, but who's to say that they aren't low? Who's to say that a player that weighed in at 230 before the season didn't pack on 10 lbs and now is playing at 240? Who's to say that Iowa's #'s on their players aren't fudged?

Or is Bo the "devil" and a liar because he yells at the refs and his players every now and then?

If you are judging by the "eye test" you had better think again, especially when players have all of the pads and unis on. And even more so, when you don't know if the player you are questioning is a LB or a DB.

Why did Bo say he was trying to add weight to "some" players? If you use those numbers to "predict" you are a fool. Only way to know is to watch and rewatch the games, and yes people on sight have a better place to "watch" from. While I dont always agree with Jon, his ability to attend more games than I, means something. Try popping in a Iowa game from last year, watch 10 mins, then pop in a Nebraska game.

And exactly which players are those? Maybe it's Ciante Evans (cb) who supposedly played at about 170 last year. Or maybe it's incoming true freshman rbs Green and Abdullah who both reportedly are at about 180-190. Or maybe it's backup OT Jake Cotton, who could benefit from another 20 or 30 pounds?

Or does it have to be the LBs, because YOU (who didn't know that we were playing with 1 LB and 6 DBs against texa$$) decided that our LBs were too small to play in the Big 10.

I know that you think you could drop any team from the B1G (with the exception of Nebby ) into the NFC North, and they would go 8-8, but it's just not true.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

I was not saying their D wont be any good at all. I was saying it has a weak spot. That weak spot tends to be exactly what many B10 teams are good at.
giving up one more score in a neutral site is not bad. I wonder if Mizzery would have gotten 24 on us in Kinnick?? Which actually is a whole different convo. But begs to hear the idea on if 74 thinks it will be easier to win in camp randall or the big house or the shoe, compared to oh I dont know say Jack Trice, even if all the teams that call those places home were exactly the same. So yea I think 17 and 24 is about equal. That make sence??

It won't be easier to win in Madison, Columbus, etc.....but to think it's going to be HARDER is a little naive. They had to go to Texas, Oklahoma, A&M. I'd say Jack Trice would be harder to play at than @ Indiana.

 

[olddude]

Nebraska was up 24 to 0 after the first quarter, garbage time points dont really count.

So after the first Q 1st string was pulled? Wasnt that game a breaking of a 13 game losing streak against top 10 teams? Havent the Tigers lost something like 17 straight away games against top 25 teams? Didnt T-mart get hurt in the second half? Interesting no?

 

[olddude]

It won't be easier to win in Madison, Columbus, etc.....but to think it's going to be HARDER is a little naive. They had to go to Texas, Oklahoma, A&M. I'd say Jack Trice would be harder to play at than @ Indiana.

I know they played tough places as well. My point was is playing in the desert the same as playing in your own house?

 

[74Hunter]

But begs to hear the idea on if 74 thinks it will be easier to win in camp randall or the big house or the shoe, compared to oh I dont know say Jack Trice, even if all the teams that call those places home were exactly the same. So yea I think 17 and 24 is about equal. That make sence??

No. But I do think it will be easier to win at Bloomington, West Lafayette, East Lansing, Minneapolis, and (dare I say) Iowa City than it was at Norman, Austin, College Station, Stillwater, or even Boulder.

Touche', my friend.

 

[olddude]

Who's to say that Iowa's #'s on their players aren't fudged?



And exactly which players are those? just not true.

Now you are getting it. As for the second part. I will just give you a quote. And futher put the kaboom on what you people fail to realize.

" *Lavonte David is gaining weight for the Big Ten season, according to ESPN."

David's ultimate goal is to reach 230 pounds, although he admits 225 might be more realistic. He's already at 221 and says it's easier to add the weight during the offseason, when his training schedule is more focused and routine. (Most players lose weight during the season.)

One major question for Nebraska's Blackshirts defense heading into the Big Ten is whether the linebackers can adjust to a slightly different brand of football. As Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne said: "You may see [in the Big Ten] a few more traditional-type linebackers, guys that are 220, 230, 240 pounds in the ballgame, whereas in the Big 12, you had so many spread offenses that you ended up playing nickel and dime and you're playing with five, six defensive backs a lot of the time. And sometimes those guys are lined up as linebackers."

Is that good enough for you guys or do you want me to continue doing your homework for you?? It's absolutly amazing that Nebraska's site on Davids bio has him at 225 now is'nt it??? How old is that bio?? Or is it just plain padded? If he is "already" at 221 that would stand to reason he was playing at 215 or so, NO?? My god people, seriously?

 

[ShockRerun]

So after the first Q 1st string was pulled? Wasnt that game a breaking of a 13 game losing streak against top 10 teams? Havent the Tigers lost something like 17 straight away games against top 25 teams? Didnt T-mart get hurt in the second half? Interesting no?

What point are you trying to make? Does that mean that the game wasnt a blow out after 15min? and T-mart was injured in the second quarter.

 

[whammer33024]

is it fair to say nebraska will have some growing pains when completely transitioning into a new conference? sure, i think everyone would agree with that. bo pelini knows defense and i'm sure will field a very solid squad on the defensive side of the ball come september. will they be the best defense in the conference? my gut tells me no but i can't be sure.

olddude, would you have confidence in norm parker to put a solid defense out there if we were suddenly moved to the big 12? if you say no then you're a liar

 

[olddude]

is it fair to say nebraska will have some growing pains when completely transitioning into a new conference? sure, i think everyone would agree with that. bo pelini knows defense and i'm sure will field a very solid squad on the defensive side of the ball come september. will they be the best defense in the conference? my gut tells me no but i can't be sure.

olddude, would you have confidence in norm parker to put a solid defense out there if we were suddenly moved to the big 12? if you say no then you're a liar

There you go, you summed it up very well. Thing is you cant just say something around here, you have to show everybody your "homework" just so they get the point.

 

[74Hunter]

There you go, you summed it up very well. Thing is you cant just say something around here, you have to show everybody your "homework" just so they get the point.

I would agree with you.

I would also agree that LaVonte David (who played LB at about 210-215 last year) is trying to put on some muscle and get to 225-230. However, our other returning LBs all play at anywhere from 230-250, fwiw.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

There you go, you summed it up very well. Thing is you cant just say something around here, you have to show everybody your "homework" just so they get the point.

So he said that Iowa's D would do well in a different conference, one that plays a "spread" D, one that we would have to recruit different players for (supposedly)....

And you agree?

But yet you don't think Nebraska will transition well into the B10?

You can do all the "homework" you want, but telling me a guy is listed 4 lbs over what he "really" is doesn't change my opinion one bit. Your outlook on how big players are and whether or not they can compete in the B10 is totally ignorant. For you to not see that is insane.

 

[olddude]

I would agree with you.

I would also agree that LaVonte David (who played LB at about 210-215 last year) is trying to put on some muscle and get to 225-230. However, our other returning LBs all play at anywhere from 230-250, fwiw.

According to who?? Players bios?? Thought the above post showed exactly what I was saying about that. Plus like I said every player I have ever talked to even if they only played D2 or 3, has told me those numbers you see are not right.
So if you cant trust any of those numbers, how can you guage the size of players? Watch alot of ball, that's how. When you watch Iowa play Mizzery and when you watch Nebraska play missery, the tail of the tape does not lie. It does not pad. Even then if what they say is true and player lose weight by season end, you guys played Mizzery around mid season if I remember right and we played them 2 months later. Just saying. I am not saying a few pounds here or there will make or break Nebraska's D. I do however think it is a weak spot, one that I think the B10 will expose and take advantage of. I would expect alot of B10 teams to run it more against Nebraska than any other team they play this year. Like I said I dont care what team you are, that makes for a long season.

 

[olddude]

So he said that Iowa's D would do well in a different conference, one that plays a "spread" D, one that we would have to recruit different players for (supposedly)....

And you agree?

But yet you don't think Nebraska will transition well into the B10?

You can do all the "homework" you want, but telling me a guy is listed 4 lbs over what he "really" is doesn't change my opinion one bit. Your outlook on how big players are and whether or not they can compete in the B10 is totally ignorant. For you to not see that is insane.

4 pounds??? He is listed at 225 and was playing at 210-215 tops!!!!

Iowa would be ok, not stellar.

If you dont buy that, look at what 74 pointed out about B10's D playing in bowls. Yes we were ok but gave up some points now didnt we?? Huh what would have happened if we recruited and trained for the spread more??

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

4 pounds??? He is listed at 225 and was playing at 210-215 tops!!!!
Iowa would be ok, not stellar.

So you are OK with James Morris at 215 but not their LB?

 

[olddude]

So you are OK with James Morris at 215 but not their LB?

I am not "ok" with any number given for any player anywhere. Stats yes, speed, weight, and how much they can lift (unless it comes right from their mouth), NO.
I like to go by other means to gain this info.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

4 pounds??? He is listed at 225 and was playing at 210-215 tops!!!!

Iowa would be ok, not stellar.

If you dont buy that, look at what 74 pointed out about B10's D playing in bowls. Yes we were ok but gave up some points now didnt we?? Huh what would have happened if we recruited and trained for the spread more??

So we would have recruited faster people? Because we try to get slower guys because we don't face "fast" offenses, I assume. Good lord.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

I am not "ok" with any number given for any player anywhere. Stats yes, speed, weight, and how much they can lift (unless it comes right from their mouth), NO.
I like to go by other means to gain this info.

Then who cares what they put in the bios!!!!!!! Why are you making that argument then?!?!?!

Nebraska's D has been fine and will continue to be fine no matter what conference they are in. Just like ours would. You are absolutely oblivious to common sense.

 

[74Hunter]

According to who?? Players bios?? Thought the above post showed exactly what I was saying about that. Plus like I said every player I have ever talked to even if they only played D2 or 3, has told me those numbers you see are not right.
So if you cant trust any of those numbers, how can you guage the size of players? Watch alot of ball, that's how. When you watch Iowa play Mizzery and when you watch Nebraska play missery, the tail of the tape does not lie. It does not pad. Even then if what they say is true and player lose weight by season end, you guys played Mizzery around mid season if I remember right and we played them 2 months later. Just saying. I am not saying a few pounds here or there will make or break Nebraska's D. I do however think it is a weak spot, one that I think the B10 will expose and take advantage of. I would expect alot of B10 teams to run it more against Nebraska than any other team they play this year. Like I said I dont care what team you are, that makes for a long season.

David played at 210-215 last year. THIS year's bio says 225 as a Sr., so it may be off a few pounds. The other top 4 guys (Compton, Fisher, Whaley, and Stoddard) are listed at 230-235 in the bios, with Matt May listed at 215.

Really, I don't care about a few pounds here or there. If this position is a weakness this year, it will be due to lack of quality depth, not because of their respective sizes. Besides, LBs in Bo's schemes are more of a "clean up" type guy than they are "head-knocker"/take on the FB in the hole type of lb, fwiw.

 

[olddude]

Then who cares what they put in the bios!!!!!!! Why are you making that argument then?!?!?!

Nebraska's D has been fine and will continue to be fine no matter what conference they are in. Just like ours would. You are absolutely oblivious to common sense.

I am??
Jon can we please get an icon or whatever or a guy banging his head against the wall? Please.

Yes they will be fine, just like we would. If "fine" is ok with you.
This all started because I was pointing out a weak spot and football challeged people like yourself, made me prove what I already knew. All I hear out of you guys is well nothing. You made me prove what I was saying on several fronts of the arguement, but what I am just supposed to take your word for it?? Yeah right, when pigs fly!!

 

[olddude]

74 you are right, a few pounds does not make or break. I just think LB is a weak spot on Nebraskas D. Size, training and technique combined with being the new guy, and everybody trying to run against you (Nebraskas hard to throw against). Well when you add those things up, we might see how deep you are back there. That was my point. Not that your D will be horrible. We have some good coaches in the B10, they like to be able to throw and run, with that they will try and find a weak spot and expose it. I know all teams try and do that but it just seems like we have more "balanced" teams and that helps in finding the crack. I once heard someone say B10 ball is where they just keep "denting" the other team until something breaks. Since you guys are so stellar on coverage and the arguement could be made less than stellar or stopping the run, I would suspect almost all the B10 teams to try and use that. That could make for a long season for you guys. How well your DL and LB's hold up and play will be the key. Atleast thats how I see it.