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It kills me fans are so upset about a football coach's "bait-n-switch" and never say anything about really greasy people who do it in positions that really effect their lives: lawyers and politicians.

Say, isn't there a law school at Iowa?
 


so the guy that doesn't have a creative bone in his head and a mush heart that won't allow him to blowout opponents has the exact opposite to keep one player on his team.

Don't see that one at all.

I think he wants to do those things that he talks about. I think he also finds reasons not to do those things during games. He is a creature of habit. Being a creature of habit in an ever-changing game just makes him easier to be hunted.


This is how I see it. Kirk isn't lying to us. He's lying to himself. It's like when I used to play poker all the time.
I would drive to the casino and think about all the holes in my game. I would tell myself how I was going to play hands differently this time. Then when the time comes, I always find a reason not to do it that hand. I always tell myself it's not the time and I'll do it next time. Then I drive home and realize I played the exact same way as I always do. It's hard to change what you're comfortable with. Good poker players and good coaches can. I can't and Kirk can't.
 


It kills me fans are so upset about a football coach's "bait-n-switch" and never say anything about really greasy people who do it in positions that really effect their lives: lawyers and politicians.

Say, isn't there a law school at Iowa?

Ship has sailed, as far as any u.s. americans having any faith in lawyers or gov.

Plus, this is key error people make on football discussion websites; we're not here to talk about anything more than football. I complain to the old lady and friends about the rest of my life outside of this forum. I always chuckle seeing folks saying "get a grip, it's just football" or "i hope you're happier in your real life than you are here". Well hey there genius, these comments were made in the context of a football forum.
 


Ship has sailed, as far as any u.s. americans having any faith in lawyers or gov. Plus, this is key error people make on football discussion websites; we're not here to talk about anything more than football. I complain to the old lady and friends about the rest of my life outside of this forum. I always chuckle seeing folks saying "get a grip, it's just football" or "i hope you're happier in your real life than you are here". Well hey there genius, these comments were made in the context of a football forum.
It really is baffling, isn't it? It takes a rare breed of idiot to go to a sports-themed website and criticize the posters there for caring too much about sports. It's like going to a Jihadist chatroom and telling them to chill out and have some bacon.
 


This is how I see it. Kirk isn't lying to us. He's lying to himself. It's like when I used to play poker all the time.
I would drive to the casino and think about all the holes in my game. I would tell myself how I was going to play hands differently this time. Then when the time comes, I always find a reason not to do it that hand. I always tell myself it's not the time and I'll do it next time. Then I drive home and realize I played the exact same way as I always do. It's hard to change what you're comfortable with. Good poker players and good coaches can. I can't and Kirk can't.
Exactly. Good example.
 


It really is baffling, isn't it? It takes a rare breed of idiot to go to a sports-themed website and criticize the posters there for caring too much about sports. It's like going to a Jihadist chatroom and telling them to chill out and have some bacon.
And a rarer breed to compare sports-themed posters to Muslim terrorists.

Now that is some blinding brilliance. I bow to you.
 


Ship has sailed, as far as any u.s. americans having any faith in lawyers or gov.

Plus, this is key error people make on football discussion websites; we're not here to talk about anything more than football. I complain to the old lady and friends about the rest of my life outside of this forum. I always chuckle seeing folks saying "get a grip, it's just football" or "i hope you're happier in your real life than you are here". Well hey there genius, these comments were made in the context of a football forum.
You are right. I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to leave the impression that anyone should banter about politics here. We shouldn't. The point I was trying to make is that I bet a majority of the butt-hurt whiners and haters that whine and hate on coaches/players don't do anything (complain volunteer or even vote) where life really matters.




And by the way just writing the word "politician" isn't bringing political discussion of philosophy/party affiliation into a football site.

And genius, there are no such people as u.s. americans.
There are Americans.
There are no u.s. americans.

I think Ricky Stanzi said something like that.
 


What is the possibility if CJ does start it is because a few big ole' fat cats banded together and told Bert they have had enough, and won't be writing any more checks until they see KF take a small step toward reality?

OR

Maybe they do just have enough spare change laying around to do the unthinkable?? Captain is too proud to be fired. Plus he hasn't beaten Hayden's record for victories or longevity yet. And he has barely moved into the new football complex. You know, the one he helped build.

We can all agree that college football is big business. Correct? Especially here. It's the engine. And it's dirty at times. Look around.

Nah. I just like a good story sometimes. He is just flippin off the fans and CJ again most likely.

Question for those who think KF is SUCH a class act. Do you genuinely feel that way? Or is part of it that he is YOUR football coach.

We can talk about other coaches who are tools. But not MINE.
 


Back to the topic at hand.

Kirk will either be impeached or undergo a sex change and then file gender discrimination upon termination before CJB will start the bowl.

I hope I'm wrong. About all those possibilities. Politics or not.
 


What is the possibility if CJ does start it is because a few big ole' fat cats banded together and told Bert they have had enough, and won't be writing any more checks until they see KF take a small step toward reality?

OR

Maybe they do just have enough spare change laying around to do the unthinkable?? Captain is too proud to be fired. Plus he hasn't beaten Hayden's record for victories or longevity yet. And he has barely moved into the new football complex. You know, the one he helped build.

We can all agree that college football is big business. Correct? Especially here. It's the engine. And it's dirty at times. Look around.

Nah. I just like a good story sometimes. He is just flippin off the fans and CJ again most likely.

Question for those who think KF is SUCH a class act. Do you genuinely feel that way? Or is part of it that he is YOUR football coach.

We can talk about other coaches who are tools. But not MINE.

That is definitely part of it for me. Bottom line, if you are not playing or coaching, sports are entertainment and nothing more. To me, things are much more entertaining if you are optimistic and supportive. Even though you might recognize flaws in "your guys," you continue to root for them.

But beyond that, there is a wealth of evidence that points towards KF being a decent human being. I have only spoken with him VERY BRIEFLY a couple of times, but he came off as genuine and friendly to a person of no influence from whom it would make no sense to curry favor. I have known several former players who spoke very positively of him as a person. And there are tons of fellow coaches and media-types who clearly have a lot of respect for him, and that does not just happen by accident. Most of us don't know him well enough on a personal level to say definitively that he is a great guy, and I am not suggesting that we put him up for sainthood, but I will tend to lean in the direction of the evidence (and give him the benefit of the doubt because he coaches my team).

I am fascinated by the phenomenon of fans who do not know KF at all on a personal level (correct me if I am wrong on that one) making vicious and scathing character attacks based on 1) a failure to win football games and 2) a few press conference utterances. When writing of his failure to win, I have seen words/phrases like lazy, extreme arrogance, egomaniacal, middle finger to fans, etc.. It almost seems quaint when someone restrains themselves to just calling him stupid. When referring to his press-conferences, he is smug, a lying thief, a buck-passer, a two-faced politician who panders to his audience with no intention of following through on his promises.

I think there are much easier explanations that do not require character assassinations. I think he coaches how he coaches because he feels (rightly) that every good team needs to have strong belief in a system that they adhere to tightly. He is also dogmatic and resists change to his system, which makes it hard to evolve as a coach, but which does not make him a bad human being. He is also extremely risk-averse (probably to his detriment), which makes things like switching QBs mid-season or using a 2-QB system very difficult, even if he can rationalize it. We have evidence that he has traditionally given one QB that vast majority of practice reps and that he feels strongly that this is necessary for success. If that is the way you have always done it, it is hard to convince yourself to change.

As for his press-conferences, they really do not represent how forthright he is with his players. If he only communicated with his players through press-conferences, then you could criticize him for leaving CJ out to dry by not explaining his exact role on the team. But for all we know KF is very up front with his players regarding where they stand, he just chooses not to reveal all personnel decisions to his opponents prior to games. Playing it close to the vest in press-conferences does not make one two-faced. Likewise, if he says "that's football" I don't look at it as a lack of accountability or indifference to the result, but rather an unwillingness to call out specific mistakes of players or coaches. And when he talks execution, I don't think he is transferring blame to players because he does not see execution solely as the domain of players. He views execution as the backbone of his teams' success, and as a responsibility of both his players and the coaches who work with them all season.

For those that level the strong character attacks, have you ever had any interaction with him? Do you know someone who has worked closely with him? If not, why do you choose to attack the person as opposed to the performance?
 


I think the plan after this years Pitt game was to transition to CJ as the starter, but they wanted CJ to earn it by overtaking a healthy JR.

So i think if JR would have had a bad first half against Indiana, they would have played CJ the 2nd half and CJ would have started against MD.

But then Rudock and Iowa had that great first half against Indiana when Iowa scored 38 pts and that seemed to change the coaches minds. At least until the last 2 games against Wisc and Neb.
 


CP87, that was an excellent post!

I complain about the Pollys' ad hominem attacks on "the detractors / haters" all the time. Good call pointing it out against der KirkFer.

I've posted before that I don't know the man well enough to "hate" him. In fact, by all accounts (demonstrated actions, observations and others' first-hand encounters, not inferences from his comments) he is a generous man of good intent that genuinely cares about his players and wants to win. I'd expect he's also a good husband, father and friend to those he knows. He's the type of guy I respect for his integrity as a man.

However, since I don't know him on those levels, I don't really care that much about his personal attributes and values. As you mentioned, this is entertainment. From that perspective, it's only about my entertainment value.

I'm pretty content that I have a reasonable expectation of value -- a competitive strategy, that maximizes players' skills, talents and athleticism and allows for the maximum opportunity to execute.

I'm not asking for the stars, here. I know and tend to accept Iowa's place in the big picture of college football. That said, beat those you're better than, give yourself a competitive chance to upset those you're not and, above all, never lose. Considering the resources and competition, it's realistic to get 8 wins, every season.

For a variety of reasons and based on numerous examples (I've posted, forever, ad nauseum) he simply has not delivered on my basic expectations of entertainment value, let alone, success, for several seasons. I further believe his dogmatic adherence to certain beliefs, strategies and personnel have contradicted, or at least limited, opportunities for success and have directly contributed to losses.

Bottom line for me: good guy, bad coach in terms of strategy, personnel and game-flow decisions. I want the Hawks to win; he doesn't give them the best chance.

After several years, I can't support that. It takes him too long to make simple changes and it wastes opportunities. When he does advertise changes, he often fails to implement them. Those he does make are so unnoticeable and have such insignificant impact that the results don't improve. That makes it very difficult to be optimistic for the future.

That's my opinion and conclusion on Kirk Ferentz coached Iowa football. Like everyone else, here, that's all that matters.
 


I dont get all the personal hate on KF. I dont know him and will probably never meet him. I dont need to meet him to fulfill my Iowa sports-manhood. Since I dont know the man I dont hate him or even think he is screwing around with fans. I think from what I have seen and read that he is a good person.
I think his football sense was born from the rough and tumble western Penn area and his football ways are totally ingrained to smash mouth football, dont rub it in on your opponent, play by the rules.

At the same time I am exasperated by his coaching but I dont call the guy out personally.
 






That is definitely part of it for me. Bottom line, if you are not playing or coaching, sports are entertainment and nothing more. To me, things are much more entertaining if you are optimistic and supportive. Even though you might recognize flaws in "your guys," you continue to root for them.

But beyond that, there is a wealth of evidence that points towards KF being a decent human being. I have only spoken with him VERY BRIEFLY a couple of times, but he came off as genuine and friendly to a person of no influence from whom it would make no sense to curry favor. I have known several former players who spoke very positively of him as a person. And there are tons of fellow coaches and media-types who clearly have a lot of respect for him, and that does not just happen by accident. Most of us don't know him well enough on a personal level to say definitively that he is a great guy, and I am not suggesting that we put him up for sainthood, but I will tend to lean in the direction of the evidence (and give him the benefit of the doubt because he coaches my team).

I am fascinated by the phenomenon of fans who do not know KF at all on a personal level (correct me if I am wrong on that one) making vicious and scathing character attacks based on 1) a failure to win football games and 2) a few press conference utterances. When writing of his failure to win, I have seen words/phrases like lazy, extreme arrogance, egomaniacal, middle finger to fans, etc.. It almost seems quaint when someone restrains themselves to just calling him stupid. When referring to his press-conferences, he is smug, a lying thief, a buck-passer, a two-faced politician who panders to his audience with no intention of following through on his promises.

I think there are much easier explanations that do not require character assassinations. I think he coaches how he coaches because he feels (rightly) that every good team needs to have strong belief in a system that they adhere to tightly. He is also dogmatic and resists change to his system, which makes it hard to evolve as a coach, but which does not make him a bad human being. He is also extremely risk-averse (probably to his detriment), which makes things like switching QBs mid-season or using a 2-QB system very difficult, even if he can rationalize it. We have evidence that he has traditionally given one QB that vast majority of practice reps and that he feels strongly that this is necessary for success. If that is the way you have always done it, it is hard to convince yourself to change.

As for his press-conferences, they really do not represent how forthright he is with his players. If he only communicated with his players through press-conferences, then you could criticize him for leaving CJ out to dry by not explaining his exact role on the team. But for all we know KF is very up front with his players regarding where they stand, he just chooses not to reveal all personnel decisions to his opponents prior to games. Playing it close to the vest in press-conferences does not make one two-faced. Likewise, if he says "that's football" I don't look at it as a lack of accountability or indifference to the result, but rather an unwillingness to call out specific mistakes of players or coaches. And when he talks execution, I don't think he is transferring blame to players because he does not see execution solely as the domain of players. He views execution as the backbone of his teams' success, and as a responsibility of both his players and the coaches who work with them all season.

For those that level the strong character attacks, have you ever had any interaction with him? Do you know someone who has worked closely with him? If not, why do you choose to attack the person as opposed to the performance?

Great post.

I wonder where the responses are from the posters who fall into the category you speak of? I don't think they can valiantly make any sort of an argument against anything you said other than "I was just trying to be funny or cute".

Criticize his coaching. That's fair game. However, as far as I'm concerned he's done nothing to deserve the character assassination that you see routinely around here. He's a human being. Which means he makes mistakes just like the rest of us, but like CP said, by and large all of the evidence points to him being nothing but a stand up guy and a good role model for those whom he leads.
 


That is definitely part of it for me. Bottom line, if you are not playing or coaching, sports are entertainment and nothing more. To me, things are much more entertaining if you are optimistic and supportive. Even though you might recognize flaws in "your guys," you continue to root for them.

But beyond that, there is a wealth of evidence that points towards KF being a decent human being. I have only spoken with him VERY BRIEFLY a couple of times, but he came off as genuine and friendly to a person of no influence from whom it would make no sense to curry favor. I have known several former players who spoke very positively of him as a person. And there are tons of fellow coaches and media-types who clearly have a lot of respect for him, and that does not just happen by accident. Most of us don't know him well enough on a personal level to say definitively that he is a great guy, and I am not suggesting that we put him up for sainthood, but I will tend to lean in the direction of the evidence (and give him the benefit of the doubt because he coaches my team).

I am fascinated by the phenomenon of fans who do not know KF at all on a personal level (correct me if I am wrong on that one) making vicious and scathing character attacks based on 1) a failure to win football games and 2) a few press conference utterances. When writing of his failure to win, I have seen words/phrases like lazy, extreme arrogance, egomaniacal, middle finger to fans, etc.. It almost seems quaint when someone restrains themselves to just calling him stupid. When referring to his press-conferences, he is smug, a lying thief, a buck-passer, a two-faced politician who panders to his audience with no intention of following through on his promises.

I think there are much easier explanations that do not require character assassinations. I think he coaches how he coaches because he feels (rightly) that every good team needs to have strong belief in a system that they adhere to tightly. He is also dogmatic and resists change to his system, which makes it hard to evolve as a coach, but which does not make him a bad human being. He is also extremely risk-averse (probably to his detriment), which makes things like switching QBs mid-season or using a 2-QB system very difficult, even if he can rationalize it. We have evidence that he has traditionally given one QB that vast majority of practice reps and that he feels strongly that this is necessary for success. If that is the way you have always done it, it is hard to convince yourself to change.

As for his press-conferences, they really do not represent how forthright he is with his players. If he only communicated with his players through press-conferences, then you could criticize him for leaving CJ out to dry by not explaining his exact role on the team. But for all we know KF is very up front with his players regarding where they stand, he just chooses not to reveal all personnel decisions to his opponents prior to games. Playing it close to the vest in press-conferences does not make one two-faced. Likewise, if he says "that's football" I don't look at it as a lack of accountability or indifference to the result, but rather an unwillingness to call out specific mistakes of players or coaches. And when he talks execution, I don't think he is transferring blame to players because he does not see execution solely as the domain of players. He views execution as the backbone of his teams' success, and as a responsibility of both his players and the coaches who work with them all season.

For those that level the strong character attacks, have you ever had any interaction with him? Do you know someone who has worked closely with him? If not, why do you choose to attack the person as opposed to the performance?

Good Post CP. I think most of these people wouldn't say the things they do if they couldn't hide behind the internet
 


Maybe I'm just more tollerant than most, but I don't see calling someone smug, arrogant, and lazy as vicious attacks. I wouldn't say it's cool to call him those things necessarily, but I don't think people really need to make a big deal of it because I doubt Kirk gives a rip at all...


because he's a jerk and doesn't care about fans :)
 


To clarify, vicious attacks in my mind are more like saying someone is a crappy father or husband. Things more of that nature. Calling him a liar could fall in the vicious attack category maybe, but I see where those comments are coming from. He is saying one thing and doing another. It makes him look like a liar to some poeple. I understand that's not his intention, but I get how some people think it.
 


The bottom line is Ferentz finished 7-3 in a season where he should have finished 9-3 minimum.

Iowa fans have short memories....If (a big if) Iowa comes out and plays well and defeats Tennessee, most fans will be satisfied until next fall.

If Iowa loses, the howling will continue
 




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