Barta fires warning shot to Ferentz

[seepig]

This is based on your feelings. In reality, these decisions are based on dollars. Ferentz is still owed $2.75 million per year remaining on his contract, through 2020. After this year, that is seven years. That is $19.25 million dollars Iowa would owe him, on top of a minimum commitment of at least $2 million per year for five years for a replacement. So here on the planet earth, Ferentz being fired without cause is simply not in the scenario for at least two or three years, IMO. This was one of the most favorable to the coach contracts a coach has ever signed in college football history.

Great points that many board threads have addressed ad nauseum Jon and you are totally right for jumping in to point that out yet again. It is Barta who's ARSE should be feeling a warm sensation if the football program continues a prolonged slide.

 

[lightning1]

There is no chance that KF will be fired as long as Barta is the AD. KF would have to have 3 more losing seasons and/or a significant amount of empty seats at Kinnick.

 

[HawkPhreek]

There is no chance that KF will be fired as long as Barta is the AD. KF would have to have 3 more losing seasons and/or a significant amount of empty seats at Kinnick.

Has nothing to do with Barta nothing to do with winning or losing. Its all about the contract it makes zero cents to fire him. Unfortunately Iowa is stuck not to fear hoops will start not to long after football.

 

[HawkU]

Ultimately college football is a business and they look at return on investment.

With that in mind let's play a game. You give me $1 and at some point in the near future I give you $5. How long do you want to play? Do you think the U of I will want to play for as long as you do as well?

 

[dave3912]

Great points that many board threads have addressed ad nauseum Jon and you are totally right for jumping in to point that out yet again. It is Barta who's ARSE should be feeling a warm sensation if the football program continues a prolonged slide.

Sad part is, if it wasn't for Fran, would he still be AD? I don't think so.

 

[Thawki]

Sad part is, if it wasn't for Fran, would he still be AD? I don't think so.

So you seem to want to blame Barta on the one hand but not give him credit for hiring McCaffrey on the other. Kind of like he lucked out on the Fran hire and that is saving him on the football front. While that might be the case, the fact is he DID hire Fran and he should be given full credit for it, not have it discarded.

But you don't luck out in hiring a nobody/lower level coach. You do your homework, you find your guy and you make the hire. And damn the critics because they will damn sure be there if you miss on your splash hire, telling everyone they should have found the next up and comer. So you can't satisfy everyone so you make your hire and move on.

There are a lot of critics, here and elsewhere, that would have loved to have had guys like Lavin, Majerus, what's his name from Tennessee or a host of other guys that would have been splash hires. Barta made the right call, but evidently it was a fluke, and it is too bad he made the right call or he would be gone now, but we might have had a worse basketball program. But that's okay, at least we would have had a new AD. Of course, you probably didn't like Bowlsby either, so you would be back to ******** about the AD long about now, anyway.

 

[tubahawk]

Couple of Random Thoughts;

1. Some dude with 1/10th the trolling ability of Ghost has been able to get 5 pages of credibility. I find that mildly amusing.

2. Message boards tend to be on the extreme edge of whatever trend happens to be playing out. Even though many think KF is gone after another bad season (or should already be gone), it's not likely KF is on his way out this year or next.

3. With all that said, I think if next year is anything below .500 the attitudes of a few big donors may start to shift. While most of those people are business people who "...got that money by being smart." and know throwing away $13 million isn't the smart move at this point they also earned that money by demanding results and won't advocate keeping around a coach with a less than stellar record, even if Ferentz is a nice guy.

 

[LASBUR]

Being a class act does not make you stupid

Those of you who think that Kirk is truly the class-act, morally upright paragon of virtue that many seem to think he is, surely can't believe that he would hold the UI hostage for the full $20 million, especially considering that he currently has more money than Jesus, will never have to work another day in his life, and his family now has generational wealth for at least the next 3 go-rounds of Ferentz offspring. You really think he will refuse to step aside in an amicable fashion if it's clear that things just aren't working out? How does this fit into the "KF is such a great guy" narrative that everyone uses to defend him when the on-field product turns to poop? The most likely scenario is that all parties agree to some kind of reduced, structured buyout that leaves KF with a mere $40 million of the U's money instead of the $60 million or so total that he would be actually owed (talking overall wealth here, including the 15 years that the UI has already paid more money than every single poster on this board COMBINED would ever see in 10 lifetimes).

 

[deanvogs]

Those of you who think that Kirk is truly the class-act, morally upright paragon of virtue that many seem to think he is, surely can't believe that he would hold the UI hostage for the full $20 million, especially considering that he currently has more money than Jesus, will never have to work another day in his life, and his family now has generational wealth for at least the next 3 go-rounds of Ferentz offspring. You really think he will refuse to step aside in an amicable fashion if it's clear that things just aren't working out? How does this fit into the "KF is such a great guy" narrative that everyone uses to defend him when the on-field product turns to poop? The most likely scenario is that all parties agree to some kind of reduced, structured buyout that leaves KF with a mere $40 million of the U's money instead of the $60 million or so total that he would be actually owed (talking overall wealth here, including the 15 years that the UI has already paid more money than every single poster on this board COMBINED would ever see in 10 lifetimes).

The guy signed a contract. A class act honors his contract and expects the other party to do so as well.

 

[FreedomHawk]

The guy has been given unprecedented wealth by the University of Iowa already. He has to have what, about $35 million or so in the bank already? And that's living in freaking Iowa City, not exactly an expensive place to live. So he's going to hold the U hostage over another $20 million? That is being a low-class ******. He is not nearly the man that many claim him to be if he's going to quibble over a few additional pennies and not accept some kind of structured and reduced deal. As a matter of fact, I'm almost positive that behind closed doors Kirk and his good buddy Barta have some kind of gentlemen's agreement on how things might ultimately come to an end with as little bloodshed as possible for all concerned parties. The only real question is at what level of success/failure the doomsday scenario is set into motion.

 

[FreedomHawk]

The guy signed a contract. A class act honors his contract and expects the other party to do so as well.

Not when the terms are GROSSLY unfavorable to one side over the other, they don't.

 

[SteveGarvey]

So you're saying they will write out 13mil in dead cash? They got that money by being smart. And most all the big money guys know KF personally and wouldn't write that check.

1. I don't think we will have two more losing seasons in a row.

2. I like KF and hope he is our coach until he wants to retire.

3. Those things being said, are you saying he could hypothetically have losing seasons in '12, '13, '14, '15, '16, '17, '18...and they still wouldn't fire him because they'd have to write a check for $N millions of dollars to him? After how many hypothetical losing seasons would he be up for consideration to be fired?

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Those of you who think that Kirk is truly the class-act, morally upright paragon of virtue that many seem to think he is, surely can't believe that he would hold the UI hostage for the full $20 million, especially considering that he currently has more money than Jesus, will never have to work another day in his life, and his family now has generational wealth for at least the next 3 go-rounds of Ferentz offspring. You really think he will refuse to step aside in an amicable fashion if it's clear that things just aren't working out? How does this fit into the "KF is such a great guy" narrative that everyone uses to defend him when the on-field product turns to poop? The most likely scenario is that all parties agree to some kind of reduced, structured buyout that leaves KF with a mere $40 million of the U's money instead of the $60 million or so total that he would be actually owed (talking overall wealth here, including the 15 years that the UI has already paid more money than every single poster on this board COMBINED would ever see in 10 lifetimes).

It appears Karl Marx speaks from beyond the grave. Or, wait...Barack, is that you? Here on HawkeyeNation? Wow!

 

[hawkeyebob62]

The guy has been given unprecedented wealth by the University of Iowa already. He has to have what, about $35 million or so in the bank already? And that's living in freaking Iowa City, not exactly an expensive place to live. So he's going to hold the U hostage over another $20 million? That is being a low-class ******. He is not nearly the man that many claim him to be if he's going to quibble over a few additional pennies and not accept some kind of structured and reduced deal. As a matter of fact, I'm almost positive that behind closed doors Kirk and his good buddy Barta have some kind of gentlemen's agreement on how things might ultimately come to an end with as little bloodshed as possible for all concerned parties. The only real question is at what level of success/failure the doomsday scenario is set into motion.

This post defines "stupid". To be fair, several of your other posts also do a respectable job of it.

What does it matter much he has in the bank? My guess is if we had gone 9-3 or better every year since 2002, you'd say, "Of course, we pay the coach an ungodly amount of money to do so!".

If you think he has kept and saved every dime during the term of his contract, nothing else anyone says will penetrate your noggin.

For starters, he and his family have given a healthy sum to UI, hospitals, etc. And there's that old tax gig. And last I checked, houses aren't free (except in The Motherland, maybe?).

<<As a matter of fact, I'm almost positive behind closed doors...>>

I knew it. You're from the NSA.

 

[FreedComanche]

Those of you who think that Kirk is truly the class-act, morally upright paragon of virtue that many seem to think he is, surely can't believe that he would hold the UI hostage for the full $20 million, especially considering that he currently has more money than Jesus, will never have to work another day in his life, and his family now has generational wealth for at least the next 3 go-rounds of Ferentz offspring. You really think he will refuse to step aside in an amicable fashion if it's clear that things just aren't working out? How does this fit into the "KF is such a great guy" narrative that everyone uses to defend him when the on-field product turns to poop? The most likely scenario is that all parties agree to some kind of reduced, structured buyout that leaves KF with a mere $40 million of the U's money instead of the $60 million or so total that he would be actually owed (talking overall wealth here, including the 15 years that the UI has already paid more money than every single poster on this board COMBINED would ever see in 10 lifetimes).

Don't know if you are being serious here, or are wanting to ruffle everyone's feathers.

If you are serious, you don't deserve to have Freedom as part of your name. This is America and kf signed a very favorable contract that was offered to him. That is not holding anybody or any institution hostage. He was legally FREE to do so.

He's made a lot of money as being Iowa's coach? Yeah, and good for him. He's made a lot of money to pass on to his children? Yeah, and good for him!! It's nobody's business but his!!!!!!!!!!

Seems like you need to move to China, Russia or France with your type of out look.

FreedComanche

 

[SamsonHawk515]

There is no chance that KF will be fired as long as Barta is the AD. KF would have to have 3 more losing seasons and/or a significant amount of empty seats at Kinnick.

Exactly right, even if he has two more in a row Iowa is still on the hook for over 10 million in buyout money. I know a lot of fans are upset, but I don't see this being similiar to bball where a mass exodus of fans left carver. This is football and football is part of the framework of our culture, Hawk fans will have a hard time giving up their seats to prove a point.

 

[Golfer]

It's starting to sound like old times in here again. Not that anyone cares, but here's where I'm at with it. KF is our coach this year. We start playing games in about 30 or so days. It is what it is. And nothing more.

 

[LASBUR]

Your almost positive him and Barta have this agreement Really ?

The guy has been given unprecedented wealth by the University of Iowa already. He has to have what, about $35 million or so in the bank already? And that's living in freaking Iowa City, not exactly an expensive place to live. So he's going to hold the U hostage over another $20 million? That is being a low-class ******. He is not nearly the man that many claim him to be if he's going to quibble over a few additional pennies and not accept some kind of structured and reduced deal. As a matter of fact, I'm almost positive that behind closed doors Kirk and his good buddy Barta have some kind of gentlemen's agreement on how things might ultimately come to an end with as little bloodshed as possible for all concerned parties. The only real question is at what level of success/failure the doomsday scenario is set into motion.

 

[Eda]

Not when the terms are GROSSLY unfavorable to one side over the other, they don't.

Well, it sounds like your beef is with Gary Barta, and not KirFer. That's a different thread.

Kthxbuhbye

 

[SamsonHawk515]

Does any else recall, when Joe "iam scum" Pa was running Penn state into the ground? He decided to give more power to his other coaches and Penn State turned things around. In my opinion, it looks like Ferentz is trying to change and adapt, giving more power to assistant coaches. Let's see how this season plays out and if we don't improve call for his head. I, like many of you, have been fed up with a lot of things, if some changes don't occur this year scheme wise, the angry posters on here can have at it. Until then, quit beating a dead horse we all know the situation Barta and Ferentz have the fanbase in.