Barkley Hill/Jordan Canzeri

Just as a quick for instance and because I'm curious about the kind of response and rational it will bring. Here is the illustrious Chris Johnson and his college numbers.....

Chris Johnson Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com


And here is Arian Foster, who had an up and down career at Tenn because of health and I think a suspension or two, but when healthy you can see what he did as well.

Arian Foster Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com


I chose those two, because I wagered they didn't have very high numbers just from remembering them in college and because they are clearly explosive solid Rbers....point being lost of good former Rbers out there that get pooh-poohed by those who look at some raw numbers…

Adam was a solid Rber and many a Hawkeye fan (and our staff more importantly) thought so and that doesn’t make them stupid, a Homer or “unknowledgeable” football fans. So for those who get mad at me for how I say things…remember I post what I do because of what and how you said something to begin with.

It would be nice if we could look back and give some of these kids kudos for what they did do, without saying they aren’t worthy. There aren’t’ very many Shonn Greene’s out there folks and quite frankly if Shonn doesn’t get it together in New York he won’t be Shonn Greene there anymore either…..pretty fickle sport…I wish our fans didn’t have to be.
 
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hawkdrummer1 said:
this...that...the other. I don't pretend to be an expert, nor do I need to be... to know that something is f***ed with the way KFz manages his running backs.

AIRBHG aside... there's got to be more to this. Even taking into account the injuries we've had at RB. I have to believe there's a coaching component to this. And while I don't pretend to grasp it all...the monolithic "run-coker-til-the-sun-goes-down" approach last year has to have some relevance.

Perhaps the RB position is the ultimate manifestation of KFz's strategic weaknesses... it's just under enough layers that's it's more difficult to root out.
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Shocking....hawkdrummer says is KF's fault. c'mon man.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
this...that...the other. I don't pretend to be an expert, nor do I need to be... to know that something is f***ed with the way KFz manages his running backs.

AIRBHG aside... there's got to be more to this. Even taking into account the injuries we've had at RB. I have to believe there's a coaching component to this. And while I don't pretend to grasp it all...the monolithic "run-coker-til-the-sun-goes-down" approach last year has to have some relevance.

Perhaps the RB position is the ultimate manifestation of KFz's strategic weaknesses... it's just under enough layers that's it's more difficult to root out.
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Yep, it's Kurt's fault.
 
bb4hawks said:
So, Jordan Canzeri says he wants to come back this season. If Barkley Hill's injury is significant and can't return, does that speed up the timetable for Canzeri's possible return by mid season if he's ready and there is an need at RB?
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To get back to original question, I think Hill's injury does increase chance that Canzeri plays later in season. Of course, if other RBs do well and stay healthy, it is still very probably Canzeri redshirts. I think Garmon brings similar set of skills as Canzeri with speed needed to break runs so there may not be urgent need to play him.

It is true Canzeri did not show alot last year as he didnt play that much. However, if he gets reps in practice, I am sure his stats and performance will improve. I assume he is not yet cleared to practice as have seen no mention of him from open practices of photos.
 
What's Greene doing wrong in NY? He didn't have much of a line last year(they were pretty banged up). And has looked pretty good in limited action in preseason I think.
 
rjbaustian said:
What's Greene doing wrong in NY? He didn't have much of a line last year(they were pretty banged up). And has looked pretty good in limited action in preseason I think.
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I love Shonn Greene, I have had him a number of times on fantasy teams, but for whatever reason either because of his fumbles or just Rex being a goon they haven’t let him or he hasn’t seized the opportunity afforded him.

He could and should be more dominant and you can tell by where he rated on fantasy drafts this year that people have lost a little love for him. Doesn’t mean anything yet, but this is his year. He needs to do it now.
 
The truth is that Wegher, Robinson and Coker were all GREAT running backs. What is ironic is that they all left school for reasons unrelated to injuries.

The fact that Wegher, Robinson and Coker were all very productive RBs should give hope to Bullock, Garmon, Canzeri, Rodgers and others that they can have a good season this year behind a quality offensive line
 
DuffMan said:
Robinson was not a great running back. He was serviceable at BEST.
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Humbly disagree -

but if you are right, then we shouldn't be too concerned about the position, since the current crop of running backs all have better resumes than Robinson coming out of high school.........
 
ChosenChildren said:
DuffMan said:
Robinson was not a great running back. He was serviceable at BEST.
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Humbly disagree - but if you are right, then we shouldn't be too concerned about the position, since the current crop of running backs all have better resumes than Robinson coming out of high school.........
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Sam Brownlee not withstanding Robinson was the least productive feature back Iowa has had under KF.
 
If Robinson had stayed 4 years, barring injury, I think we would have had an outstanding career in the final analysis.

His statistics his sophomore year (4.4 yards per carry, 900 yards) were comparable to Albert Young's statistics his SENIOR year (4.7 ypc, 900 yards).

He wasn't supposed to be the feature back his sophomore year - it turned out that way because of injuries to other players.

Robinson was an excellent runner, blocker and receiver.
 
ChosenChildren said:
Humbly disagree -

but if you are right, then we shouldn't be too concerned about the position, since the current crop of running backs all have better resumes than Robinson coming out of high school.........[/QUOTE]


Touche’…..and I love logical deductions. Really the biggest reason I post…”If A is true, then it suggests B would likely be true as well or at least reasonable” Its an art lost on much of America now-a-days.

Anywhoo….there is staunch minority of posters that are completely unwilling to give AROB “any” credit and only begrudgingly give it to Coker…..They are so caught up in this speed stuff and yards per carry. That’s why when I’m feeling froggy I start listing “other” NFL running backs with worse speed numbers and similar to worse yards per carry averages from college.

Really kind of puts their thoughts into the perspectives they belong. Biased opinions unsubstantiated by any sound rationale….

He wasn’t All-Pro but he was a solid Big 10 Rber and Coker was pretty darn good really.
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DuffMan said:
Robinson was not a great running back. He was serviceable at BEST.
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Disagree. When he was healthy our offense performed much better overall than when he wasn't on the field.

I might not say great, but much better than "serviceable at best".
 
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I liked both Arob and Coker. Not as much as Greene or a healthy Jermelle Lewis or Freddie etc but still pretty good. Arob ran really hard. I liked his effort and he turned around the Arizona game in IC that year.
 
kuhntz said:
Disagree. When he was healthy our offense performed much better overall than when he wasn't on the field.

I might not say great, but much better than "serviceable at best".
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I have to weigh in here and disagree with the posters who are not giving Arob credit. Although not overly fast he was quick and had "great feet". Many times watching replays it was apparent he had very good vision, and could make moves, but more than that he was able to step over the garbage and if you remember 2009 at Penn St and MSU he could lower his shoulder to protect his waist and therefor shed tacklers.

He had very good hands and made that great catch and run against mich in 2009 I believe.
 
At the risk of sounding sappy, it’s nice to see several guys weigh in with their positive thoughts on these guys. Usually it’s just me and a couple guys having to battle the…he wasn’t Big 10 material or he was serviceable at best crowd. Cleary he was a solid Rber and we could have been much worse off.
 
i never said he wasnt bten material. i just said he wasnt "great".

name one iowa feature back in the last ten years you would take arob ahead of.
 
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