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cmhawks99 said:
Wow here is something that puts that whole Adam Robinson, Marcus Coker and yards per carry debate into perspective�� http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/leaders/rush-yds-per-att-player-career.html Stats are based on finishing their career in 2000 up to 2011. So that�s a lot of Rbers.....AROoB was 46th, a little better than serviceable. Lots of very good Rbers surrounding him�..he�d have finished his career with very good all-time numbers.
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Sooooo your plan to prove ARob was better than servicable was to point out that on average every team in the big ten had 4 running backs better than ARob over the last ten years?
 
DuffMan said:
Sooooo your plan to prove ARob was better than servicable was to point out that on average every team in the big ten had 4 running backs better than ARob over the last ten years?
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I don’t remember what it is called, but the method I used worked just as I suspected. You’d come back and point out how he is still 46th and I’d point out that 20 some odd guys averaged between 4.6 and 5.0 including some highly, highly, highly thought of Rbers from super teams who were also quite fast …so yeah it worked out about how I expected it would.

Anything else…lol........:D
 
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DuffMan said:
i honestly dont know where to begin...
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That’s probably good, it really is a silly, even pointless thing to pooh-pooh a former Hawkeye who never made it past his Soph season and thru I think it was about 22 games, really had solid numbers...what is the point really?

So you think he wasn't very good, great, now what.....
 
Arob was better than Coker, IMO. But that's not saying much. He was a back that I would take right now, that's for sure. But he wasn't outstanding.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
Arob was better than Coker, IMO. But that's not saying much. He was a back that I would take right now, that's for sure. But he wasn't outstanding.
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I probably wouldn’t agree per se and those who have suggested we have several guys who were better than AROB aren’t off base. It’s just mostly how they say it and the lack of true appreciation AROB gets…

But here is my bent on AROB…for whatever reason; he will go down as one of the most exciting Rbers I have watched at Iowa. Where others get ramped up about 50 and 60 yard TD’s run…I was always amazzzzed at what he did. I have had a decent gauge on many of these 2 star kids coming in and how underrated they were. Hyde, Hampton, Godfrey, Miller, KMM, Hitchens, etc were some of the guys I really felt solid about coming in…they just felt like Iowa players who were athletic and undervalued….

Arob…. I had no preconceived notions about…none. I wasn’t against him and I didn’t think it was a poorly offered scholly. Its just that I didn’t think much of it at all. And then viola…. He is one of those kids that goes out there and you say he isn’t fast enuff or big enuff or….and at times he looked slow, yet then he would explode thru a hole, twist, turn, spin and fight like mad……more than any back I have watched at Iowa and I remember them since 1981. He made the skin on my arms pop up. No he wasn’t great and yes we have had lots of better Rbers thru here, but I loved watching him play and I do miss him…..
 
cmhawks99 said:
I probably wouldn’t agree per se and those who have suggested we have several guys who were better than AROB aren’t off base. It’s just mostly how they say it and the lack of true appreciation AROB gets…

But here is my bent on AROB…for whatever reason; he will go down as one of the most exciting Rbers I have watched at Iowa. Where others get ramped up about 50 and 60 yard TD’s run…I was always amazzzzed at what he did. I have had a decent gauge on many of these 2 star kids coming in and how underrated they were. Hyde, Hampton, Godfrey, Miller, KMM, Hitchens, etc were some of the guys I really felt solid about coming in…they just felt like Iowa players who were athletic and undervalued….

Arob…. I had no preconceived notions about…none. I wasn’t against him and I didn’t think it was a poorly offered scholly. Its just that I didn’t think much of it at all. And then viola…. He is one of those kids that goes out there and you say he isn’t fast enuff or big enuff or….and at times he looked slow, yet then he would explode thru a hole, twist, turn, spin and fight like mad……more than any back I have watched at Iowa and I remember them since 1981. He made the skin on my arms pop up. No he wasn’t great and yes we have had lots of better Rbers thru here, but I loved watching him play and I do miss him…..
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You should probably have seen a doctor about that. That's not healthy.
 
cmhawks99 said:
Wow here is something that puts that whole Adam Robinson, Marcus Coker and yards per carry debate into perspective……

Big Ten Conference Career Leaders and Records for Rushing Yards Per Attempt | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Stats are based on finishing their career in 2000 up to 2011. So that’s a lot of Rbers.....AROB was 46th, a little better than serviceable. Lots of very good Rbers surrounding him…..he’d have finished his career with very good all-time numbers.
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He's behind a back up RB from Michigan, a guy who was a huge disappointment at OSU and just ahead of a Purdue back up and an Indiana QB, not exactly elite company.
 
hawkfan33 said:
cmhawks99 said:
Wow here is something that puts that whole Adam Robinson, Marcus Coker and yards per carry debate into perspective�� Big Ten Conference Career Leaders and Records for Rushing Yards Per Attempt | College Football at Sports-Reference.com Stats are based on finishing their career in 2000 up to 2011. So that�s a lot of Rbers.....AROB was 46th, a little better than serviceable. Lots of very good Rbers surrounding him�..he�d have finished his career with very good all-time numbers.
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He's behind a back up RB from Michigan, a guy who was a huge disappointment at OSU and just ahead of a Purdue back up and an Indiana QB, not exactly elite company.
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but that somehow proves his point...
 
hawkfan33 said:
He's behind a back up RB from Michigan, a guy who was a huge disappointment at OSU and just ahead of a Purdue back up and an Indiana QB, not exactly elite company.
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Really I suppose you noticed he is ahead of former 1st round pick Chris Perry right.....Honestly why...I mean really you see one guy who you think helps your cause and then completely miss the obvious. Thats blinders baby in its truest since.

Just what I’ve come to expect…..again I said I anticipated these break downs to slant stuff, that’s why I just waited …..I knew it would be easy pickings to roll with the punches. Its never new and always slow…go ahead pick some more guys…..I’ll wait
 
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DuffMan said:
but that somehow proves his point...
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It does...see above..really Duff you couldn't come up with anything, you had your chance.....Here these are for you...I'll wait for the spin cycle....

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lesean-mccoy-1.html

Here is an interesting story…Matt Forte, solid but somewhat pedestrian and then bam shots off like rocket as a senior…..

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/matt-forte-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cedric-benson-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/steven-jackson-3.html

I'm not comparing Atrob to these guys, I just want you to explain away the yards per carry...you know the truest indicator of a good Rber.....:rolleyes:
 
come up with what? you put up something thad had arob ranked as the 46th best b10 rb on the last ten years as proof that he was a great RB.
 
What I remember from Arob is that he was a pretty decent back when we didn't have any other options. Was he flashy, did he make your jaw drop???? NO, but he did get the job done pretty well for a few years.

Was he there when his team mates needed him? NO! Too bad for him. Too bad for us. I think had he 4 years he may have been pretty danm good. Now we have a new stable of guys to look forward to. I think one or two of them will be pretty good. Go gettem boys!!!!
 
DuffMan said:
come up with what? you put up something thad had arob ranked as the 46th best b10 rb on the last ten years as proof that he was a great RB.
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Don’t you think I knew what I was doing old pal, I mean really...let’s stay on course. I posted some stuff with “otherâ€￾ Rbers and their pedestrian per carry averages (you know the tell all for Rbers…:rolleyes: )and 1st round pick Chris Perry is below Arob...what of that? Stay on course friend...
 
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