Barkley Hill/Jordan Canzeri
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It seems like you are insinuating that the coaches wouldn't play Jordan if he was ready at some point this season, or that the would play him if he wasn't really ready but they had a need at back.
HawkeyeHypnosis
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Whether Hill will be back or not, Canzeri will play when he can. No reason to hold anyone out if they are healthy and capable.
BSpringsteen
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If Jordan Canzeri is the best RB we have when he is ready to return, we have big problems.
I don't know what everyone's hard on for him was last year... sure he was fast, he also went down instantly.
Bottom line is that Wegher and Hampton were the last RB's we had that were truly front line B1G RB's. Coker was good but not great, his YPC were really really average.
Hopefully Garmon is the real deal, and the really really good news is that Wegher, Hapton, and briefly last season McCall showed us that a true freshman can compete at this level.
I don't know what everyone's hard on for him was last year... sure he was fast, he also went down instantly.
Bottom line is that Wegher and Hampton were the last RB's we had that were truly front line B1G RB's. Coker was good but not great, his YPC were really really average.
Hopefully Garmon is the real deal, and the really really good news is that Wegher, Hapton, and briefly last season McCall showed us that a true freshman can compete at this level.
franstheman
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I agree on Hampton and McCall. Not so sure Wegher was a front line Big 10 back when he left though...
cmhawks99
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I dont know....someone said earlier today that Coker just kept his head down and closed his eyes and I pointed out that he still had almost 1400 yards doing that so.....really thats pretty impressive if you think about it...
And for that matter he averaged 5.1 yards per carry...which is as good as Mike Hart, the number 2 big 10 back in the BTN era and John Clay averaged 5.4...so you can argue the list but not if they were good Rbers and quite frankly KF would take a disciplined, non dope smoking Adam Robinson back in a second and so would I.
Meaning he loved him at one time....he was abetter Rber than most Iowa fans seem to care to admit, but again they aren't coaches either...
TheOnePercent
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Wegher still had a lot to prove. Coker was better than both Robinson and Wegher. You're wrong with about everything you just tried to say.
LutherHawk
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Wow! Implying that Robinson wasn't that good is just astounding. Maybe I watch football differently - you know, with expectations not based on video game type stats. Robinson did so many little things well. He blocked well, he was a great receiver out of the backfield, and he was a slippery runner, while rarely making mistakes. He was phenomenal in the PSU game in '09... Go back and look at the film. His touchdown run sealed the game.
Admittedly, he did not have blazing speed but he was certainly a great Hawk.
And why so much respect for Hampton and McCall? Both were pretty much unproven against top competition and for any significant portion of a season.
cmhawks99
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franstheman
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Are you a coach cm? Cause you sure seem to want everyone to know you're so much fricken smarter than they are.
I dont know....someone said earlier today that Coker just kept his head down and closed his eyes and I pointed out that he still had almost 1400 yards doing that so.....really thats pretty impressive if you think about it...
And for that matter he averaged 5.1 yards per carry...which is as good as Mike Hart, the number 2 big 10 back in the BTN era and John Clay averaged 5.4...so you can argue the list but not if they were good Rbers and quite frankly KF would take a disciplined, non dope smoking Adam Robinson back in a second and so would I.
Meaning he loved him at one time....he was abetter Rber than most Iowa fans seem to care to admit, but again they aren't coaches either...
Not sure where you are getting the 5.1, the official B1G stats have him at 4.9. There is one other back of the guys in the top ten in total yardage. He also had more carries than any other guy in the top 10 in rushing.
As far as Robinson goes, to call him a GREAT Hawk is pure hyperbole.
franstheman
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Robinson was the starting RB on the most exciting Hawkeye team ever and the only Hawkeye team to win a BCS bowl game so I can see why he has a few fans CAAR...
hawkdrummer1
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this...that...the other. I don't pretend to be an expert, nor do I need to be... to know that something is f***ed with the way KFz manages his running backs.
AIRBHG aside... there's got to be more to this. Even taking into account the injuries we've had at RB. I have to believe there's a coaching component to this. And while I don't pretend to grasp it all...the monolithic "run-coker-til-the-sun-goes-down" approach last year has to have some relevance.
Perhaps the RB position is the ultimate manifestation of KFz's strategic weaknesses... it's just under enough layers that's it's more difficult to root out.
AIRBHG aside... there's got to be more to this. Even taking into account the injuries we've had at RB. I have to believe there's a coaching component to this. And while I don't pretend to grasp it all...the monolithic "run-coker-til-the-sun-goes-down" approach last year has to have some relevance.
Perhaps the RB position is the ultimate manifestation of KFz's strategic weaknesses... it's just under enough layers that's it's more difficult to root out.
RocknRollface
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cmhawks99
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Quite frankly friend anyone that is overly opinionated or takes themselves too seriously typically won’t like what I say or how I say it. And for what it’s worth I’m not trying to get them too….If that’s you so be it...I wish I didn't make you mad, but I don't really care whether you find me smart or stupid. I’m not thin skinned or needing the appreciation or the props so to suggest that I care about looking smart is at best very poor identification skills and really quite ironic.
Ironic in that we continually have posts calling our past ball players bad or not Big 10 worthy by people trying to pass their opinion off as some sort of an authority on the matter and yet…..you, as have others, call me condensing, haughty, arrogant or “smart (and I suppose I can be)……But see here is the thing….I don't get paid by you or to coach or to post on here so if your bothered by me pointing out all the unfair, mean intentioned, overly critical things I see, then it is what it is. But as a rule of thumb, only type A people, those who share my traits are really offended by how I say things. Unfortunately they don’t share the fact that honestly I’m arguing from a position of defense for those who aren’t here to defend and I’m not under any sort of misunderstanding that I’m going to change the way they think or need to be validated.
I also don't have any problem apologizing or calling myself an arse, because sometimes I am and I need to. In fact I'm one of the few who will...
And I’ll let you in on a little secret, some days I choose my words carefully so as not to offend, and other days I say the heck with it. I don’t take myself very seriously or this board. Some it seem do and more to the truth (more irony) some seem to need their opinions to be “the word” and that’s interesting to me…yet I'm the bad guy.
As I said earlier, I can indeed be a jack arse and to tell you the Truth I often times feel bad about it and that’s why I go away, but when people are so crappy about calling players out or being just flat jerky about guys who quite frankly played pretty darn good, then really…they kind of have it coming. But they don't like it obviously and if it bothers you I wouldn’t come here or talk to guys like me for that matter.
Not everyone dislikes what I say and there are a lot of people who like these players that routinely get trashed.
Are we tracking…?!
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cmhawks99
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I guess I don't follow you here...as I look back over the last 10 years I've seen us play lots of diff Rbers and if we'd have had a healthy McCall all year we'd have not run Coker so much so really what is he supposed to do...
I honestly don't get how Rber management has anything to do with this and I’ve seen multiple Iowa synopsis over the years talk about them using several Rbers so really....help me out here.
In fact, to go even farther, we’ve had years where played several, we’ve had years where we didn’t, we’ve had years where we threw it to them and years where we didn’t so really…it’s hard to say “how” they are getting managed at all.
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cmhawks99
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Here you go...
Marcus Coker Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
And to show you how meaningful yards per carry stats are here is Mike Hart…one of the 2 or 3 best Rbers in the Big 10 in the last 10 years and 5th in Heisman voting in 2006….
Michael Hart Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Here is Chris Perry….number 5 on the BTN best from 2000 to 2010 list…4.6 average.
Chris Perry Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Javon Ringer who is 7th and carried for 5.2 per….
Javon Ringer Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
As for Adam...a great Hawkeye doesn't skip class, get suspended and then smoke dope and get caught...so really the great "Hawkeye" comment is on you...but there have been a myriad of really good Rbers nationally over the years who averaged what he did (4.6 per carry.) so as much as it pained my friend above. Really its fan stuff pure and simple….
I get a nice per carry average I really do….but there have been lots of Rbers taken into the NFL that didn’t have that high a per carry average….so really there are a lot of things that go into a good Rber and I’d assume a coach looks at them differently than a fan does…not earth shattering and not worth getting made about right?!
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