As you spelled out above, if you go by what is in black and white there really was no violation. I think it was the sound that triggered the knee jerk reaction from the refs. It was loud, but that's not a violation. Perhaps we need noise dampening pads. The fact they did not overturn on the replay or it can't even be appealed is B.S. on the league's part.
Amani Jones Targeting Call
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MelroseHawkins
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Yes, the sound plus the way the players neck whipped back made it look so violent when it was just a sound hit.
#1DieHardHawk
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Well, thanks so much for the English lesson, but, if you don't get what I pointed out, then, whatever...
In football rule vernacular, "area" is going to be a subjective evaluation related to a general region of the body. If an official subjectively determines that a hit is in the area of the head or neck, he/she may call targeting. If the review is definitive, the the targeting aspect of the violation may get overruled or upheld.
Like I said, it was a borderline call. I don't think it was technically the correct call, but, when it's violent and the defender has his head down, it very well could get called. It's the current nature of the football world in which we reside.
NoBeer
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LOL, no. I guaran-fucking-tee you when they wrote that rule they didn't mean "the surface area of those body parts". They are using it like vicinity. Like what area of town do you live in. No one sites the surface area of their lot when asked that question.
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Yeah, it's similar to how they describe the field being a specific area. They totally meant general vicinity when they wrote area.
SECTION 2. The Field Dimensions and Markings
ARTICLE 1. The field shall be a rectangular area with dimensions, lines, zones, goals and pylons as indicated in Appendix D.
a. All field-dimension lines shown must be white and 4 inches in width (Exceptions: Sidelines and end lines may exceed 4 inches in width, goal lines
may be 4 or 8 inches in width, and Rule 1-2-1-g).
b. Twenty-four-inch short yard-line extensions, four inches inside the sidelines and at the hash marks, are mandatory; and all yard lines shall be four inches from the sidelines (Rule 2-12-6).
c. A solid white area between the sideline and the coaching line is mandatory.
d. White field markings or contrasting decorative markings (e.g., team names) are permissible in the end zones but shall not be closer than four feet to any line.
e. Contrasting coloring in the end zones may abut any line.
f. Only these contrasting decorative markings are allowed: conference logo, NCAA logo, college or university name and logo, and team name and logo.
These are permissible within the sidelines and between the goal lines, under these conditions (See Appendix D):
1. The entirety of all yard lines, goal lines, and sidelines must be clearly visible. No portion of any such line may be obscured by decorative markings.
2. No such markings may touch or enclose the hash marks or numbers.
3. A single decorative marking, centered on the 50-yard line, and a maximum of four smaller flanking decorative markings are allowed.
g. Goal lines may be of one contrasting color from the white lines.
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
How about the team area. They just mean the general vicinity...
Team Area and Coaching Box
ARTICLE 4. a. On each side of the field, a team area in back of the limit line and between the 25-yard lines shall be marked for the exclusive use of substitutes, athletics trainers and other persons affiliated with the team. The front of the coaching box shall be marked with a solid line six feet outside the sideline between the 25-yard lines. The area between the coaching line and the limit line between the 25-yard lines shall contain white diagonal lines or be marked distinctly for use of coaches (Rule 9-2-5). A 4-inch-by-4-inch mark is...
Team Area and Coaching Box
ARTICLE 4. a. On each side of the field, a team area in back of the limit line and between the 25-yard lines shall be marked for the exclusive use of substitutes, athletics trainers and other persons affiliated with the team. The front of the coaching box shall be marked with a solid line six feet outside the sideline between the 25-yard lines. The area between the coaching line and the limit line between the 25-yard lines shall contain white diagonal lines or be marked distinctly for use of coaches (Rule 9-2-5). A 4-inch-by-4-inch mark is...
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Let's put this to bed.
"Receiver A83 has just leaped and received a forward pass. As A83 is about to regain his balance, B45 launches and drives into A83 above the shoulder area with his helmet or shoulder. This occurs in the (a) first half; (b) second half. RULING: Foul by B45 for targeting and initiating contact with a defenseless opponent above the shoulders. 15 yards, first down."
"Pass receiver A88 has just caught the ball when defender B55 launches and drives his shoulder and forearm into his upper body. The back judge flags B55 for targeting to the head-neck area and he is disqualified. The referee makes his announcement of the targeting foul, and the play goes to review. RULING: After review, Instant Replay rules that there was not forcible contact to the head-neck area, overturning the disqualification of B55. The referee announces that B55 is not disqualified and that there will be no 15-yard penalty."
"Receiver A83 has just leaped and received a forward pass. As A83 is about to regain his balance, B45 launches and drives into A83 above the shoulder area with his helmet or shoulder. This occurs in the (a) first half; (b) second half. RULING: Foul by B45 for targeting and initiating contact with a defenseless opponent above the shoulders. 15 yards, first down."
"Pass receiver A88 has just caught the ball when defender B55 launches and drives his shoulder and forearm into his upper body. The back judge flags B55 for targeting to the head-neck area and he is disqualified. The referee makes his announcement of the targeting foul, and the play goes to review. RULING: After review, Instant Replay rules that there was not forcible contact to the head-neck area, overturning the disqualification of B55. The referee announces that B55 is not disqualified and that there will be no 15-yard penalty."
Northside Hawk
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He was telling Phil that there's a great episode of "Nova" on PBS.KF was asked about the call. His response:
Northside Hawk
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Brings back memories of Jefferson in "Fast Times At Ridgemont High" (played by a young Forest Whitaker) when his younger brother and Spicoli wreck his Corvette and frame their upcoming opponent, Lincoln high.
#1DieHardHawk
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Yeah, it's similar to how they describe the field being a specific area. They totally meant general vicinity when they wrote area.
SECTION 2. The Field Dimensions and Markings
ARTICLE 1. The field shall be a rectangular area with dimensions, lines, zones, goals and pylons as indicated in Appendix D.
a. All field-dimension lines shown must be white and 4 inches in width (Exceptions: Sidelines and end lines may exceed 4 inches in width, goal lines
may be 4 or 8 inches in width, and Rule 1-2-1-g).
b. Twenty-four-inch short yard-line extensions, four inches inside the sidelines and at the hash marks, are mandatory; and all yard lines shall be four inches from the sidelines (Rule 2-12-6).
c. A solid white area between the sideline and the coaching line is mandatory.
d. White field markings or contrasting decorative markings (e.g., team names) are permissible in the end zones but shall not be closer than four feet to any line.
e. Contrasting coloring in the end zones may abut any line.
f. Only these contrasting decorative markings are allowed: conference logo, NCAA logo, college or university name and logo, and team name and logo.
These are permissible within the sidelines and between the goal lines, under these conditions (See Appendix D):
1. The entirety of all yard lines, goal lines, and sidelines must be clearly visible. No portion of any such line may be obscured by decorative markings.
2. No such markings may touch or enclose the hash marks or numbers.
3. A single decorative marking, centered on the 50-yard line, and a maximum of four smaller flanking decorative markings are allowed.
g. Goal lines may be of one contrasting color from the white lines.
Good God... You need help.
NoBeer
Well-Known Member
For real. Its like he's trying to look as stupid as possible in front of as many people as possible.
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Which one of you idiots thought the head and neck area actually meant the general vicinity of the head and neck area?
"As nouns the difference between vicinity and area is that vicinity is proximity, or the state of being near while area is (mathematics) a measure of the extent of a surface; it is measured in square units."
https://wikidiff.com/area/vicinity