Seth53
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Again, I'm not expecting him to be a Zeller or Oden, but c'mon...is it too much to ask for 6-8 pts a game and 6-8 rebounds?
Too much to ask to go strong to the basket and (not necessarily related) dunk a ball?
Adam Woodbury is a HAWKEYE
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Again, I'm not expecting him to be a Zeller or Oden, but c'mon...is it too much to ask for 6-8 pts a game and 6-8 rebounds?
Too much to ask to go strong to the basket and (not necessarily related) dunk a ball?
Is that the best you got?
Well yea, actually it is. I don't get out much.
sportstalent
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On your first point, with Iowa's depth, I think it is asking a lot of him to get that every game.
Adam is a victim partially, of Iowa HS basketball on your second point and he also is not the most athletic guy in the world. I think on that play Sunday, he thought about it and got caught in between a layup and dunk. If you think he wasn't pizzed at himself, you didn't see the camera shot, he was probably a little more embarrassed than pizzed.
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DDThompson
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"Adam Woodbury is a HAWKEYE"....
....and Marcus Paige wishes he was.
....and Marcus Paige wishes he was.
jacknicholson
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"Adam Woodbury is a HAWKEYE"....
I imagine it crosses his mind on occasion.....
....and Marcus Paige wishes he was.
Before the last 2 games where a smaller lineup suited us better, his line easily equated to 8 and 6-7 a game, but also with the bonus of exceptional passing. Shoot, 32 minutes a game would equal 10.8 and 8 a game. But even with the two worst games he's ever played it makes 3 games where he totaled 5 points combined out of 5 games: He still shot 9 of 18 during that stretch.
We're using him SOLELY as a decoy to run the offense through. We're building his stamina, teaching him the offense and what NCAA Division 1 Basketball is all about. His style doesn't suit what we do best when we're on our rolls, but he has proven he can use those long arms and that he can create his own shot. The dunking, I mean do we really care?? Dunks are the easiest shots in the game, but posting up College defenders is hard. Very hard. Yet he's shooting at a high clip, even without dunks. And again he makes them even when he's at his worst.
Strength, conditioning and basketball IQ will get his minutes up. Any half court game will get his shot attempts up. Even as is, he's effective and efficient. Nothing to see here, folks. Except marked improvement by the time he has 70 starts as a Junior.
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I'd wager the same folks who were all hating on Josh last year are many of the same who want to hate on Adam.
Adam has two and a half years to contribute to this team. Ripping on kids who are giving their all ticks me off. He's probably not playing where he wants to as far as the level but as the previous posted pointed out, Fran is not using him in a way where he is a harm to the team. He does some good things on defense. He is lacking confidence on offense right now and he still needs development there, but I am glad he is in Iowa's program. He probably wouldn't have played half the time he has at a Kansas or UNC and wouldn't have been subjected to many minutes before he was ready. He's still not unlike a lot of young college big men. The switch can flip from year to year.
Adam has two and a half years to contribute to this team. Ripping on kids who are giving their all ticks me off. He's probably not playing where he wants to as far as the level but as the previous posted pointed out, Fran is not using him in a way where he is a harm to the team. He does some good things on defense. He is lacking confidence on offense right now and he still needs development there, but I am glad he is in Iowa's program. He probably wouldn't have played half the time he has at a Kansas or UNC and wouldn't have been subjected to many minutes before he was ready. He's still not unlike a lot of young college big men. The switch can flip from year to year.
. Fran plays him 15 mn/gm and is giving him the chance to develop and learn while not having to feel the pressure of scoring. There's only 1 ball so when white, marble, Mel, and gesell are on the floor Woody is 5th option.
If he were coming offthe bench w/out Dev and White, more offense would be required.
I think Fran is doing the right thing, letting him start and only focus on defense, rebounding, passing...which are all what you want out of your 5th option, particularly as a sophomore.
Subtle Coach of yr type of move too.
If he were coming offthe bench w/out Dev and White, more offense would be required.
I think Fran is doing the right thing, letting him start and only focus on defense, rebounding, passing...which are all what you want out of your 5th option, particularly as a sophomore.
Subtle Coach of yr type of move too.
I'm innocent on that! I swear! I didn't call him 0glesby, Noglesby, Oglesbrick, Nogoodsby or, in my best Homer Simpson voice, D'ohglesby. I don't know where those came from, honestly. And by honestly I mean *total freaking lie*. I didn't slam him like that because he struggled, I did it because I felt he failed to play his role. We wanted instant offense that he clearly possesses, we end up with a pretty good lateral defender. I don't think one close loss went by that didn't include me pointing out how different they would be if he was simply non-horrific. I don't feel bad about it simply because he's connecting, I feel bad about it because I referred to his injury this year as addition by subtraction. The one difference between myself and a lot of fans is how terribly willing I am to be totally WRONG about something I harshly criticized. Nothing feels better than to be proven wrong like Oglesby is proving me right now.
The switch is flipping next year. All three of us said the exact same thing only with different words: he's a developing young C whose output we don't need yet. Woody's critics cannot look at him and tell me they don't see the skill. Wanna know what I think? I think they saw his recruiting rank and expected 13-8 last year and upped to a good 17-9 with thought on the draft this year. They wouldn't know grooming a C if...if they were C who got groomed some time in their lives. 5* is a world away from 4*. His paint numbers are very good thanks to evident array of post moves. Actually this whole thing is almost so obviously Fran's work in Adam's development it's scary. Yet people bash him??
Olaseni is more gifted athletically and is quicker. That's why he runs with the transition team and has a good number of lobs written up for him. He disappears quickly when it becomes a half court game, which is Woodbury's area. Since we run and lob and jam using our quickness to free ourselves up, it should surprise no one that Olaseni's getting these minutes. Better yet it's CLEAR as day what Fran's doing. The best way for a great youngster to bust is by trying to become something he's not. White didn't, Basabe did. What's the choice? Force Woodbury's hand, lose possessions, watch him bust? OR Develop him? Again, literally double his numbers for 32 MPG pace production. And that's this *bad* big guy people think they see.
ssckelley
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Not sure about the dunking the ball part, although I have witnessed him do it. But keep in mind that Woodbury is averaging a tad under 16 minutes per game and is still getting 5.4 ppg and 4 rpg. If you look at what his averages are per 40 minutes he is averaging a double double. It is not realistic to expect him to go 40 minutes per game but if he got 20-25 he would be right at what you are asking for.
Again, I think it is more about how Olaseni has come along and showing he deserves more minutes. He also averages just under 16 minutes per game and averages 6.2 ppg, 5.1 rpg, along with his shot blocking ability (1.4 bpg).
Having two 7 foot centers this talented is an incredible luxury to have.
deanvogs
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I'm right with you JD. I never played sports in college, but how hard is it to understand how much time, and effort they put into a game to entertain us? Sure they get a free education, but you see players phone it in every day, and it ticks me off when people rip on "their team's players" when they are obviously giving 100% effort, but the results just might not be there. It is one thing to criticize a kid, it is another thing the crap that is spewed about Woody and last year Oglesby. It embarrasses me as a person and fan that supposed "fans" of the team I root for do this crap.
volhawk50
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Dunking the ball is not going to work. He tried that in the last game, got up as high as he could and slammed the ball into the bottom of the rim, and he won't be trying it again. But I agree, 6 and 6 is certainly not too much to ask of him.
Woody is averaging 10 rebounds per 40 minutes and is only playing 15.6 minutes per game.
There are 13 guys in the B1G averaging at least 6 rebounds per game and Melsahn is playing the least amount of minutes of those 13 at 18.6 minutes per game.
Woodbury's production is just fine when he is in the game.
NEIChawk
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Ah IPA, you beat me to it.....
Adam Woodbury Bio - Iowa Official Athletic Site........
Scroll down towards the bottom
I was just posting his stats...
expos1994
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Maybe we should start Olesani or Uthoff and bring Woodbury in off the bench. We won't have him for the tip, but maybe he'll produce more coming off the bench. and he won't get as much heat from the fans. And then you guys who think we shouldn't be so hard on these poor kids will be happy.
SpiderRico
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No one "eats their own" quite like Iowa fans. In this case, it's pretty pathetic.
Here's a guy who was a top-flight recruit who could have gone to any major program in the country. He chose Iowa over North Carolina and Roy Williams who had been eating our lunch in the state, recruiting-wise, for the better part of 10 years. And he did it during a time where we were coming off 4 consecutive losing seasons....the most in our program's history.
And now, he's an important part of the resurrection of our program.
For all that, he deserves his fans' respect and support. Not their criticism and laughter. Yet there appear to be some who are so unhappy with their own lives that they feel the need to bring down others with them. I've never understood that mentality and never will.
Here's a guy who was a top-flight recruit who could have gone to any major program in the country. He chose Iowa over North Carolina and Roy Williams who had been eating our lunch in the state, recruiting-wise, for the better part of 10 years. And he did it during a time where we were coming off 4 consecutive losing seasons....the most in our program's history.
And now, he's an important part of the resurrection of our program.
For all that, he deserves his fans' respect and support. Not their criticism and laughter. Yet there appear to be some who are so unhappy with their own lives that they feel the need to bring down others with them. I've never understood that mentality and never will.
expos1994
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I bet Adam Woodbury has thicker skin than a lot of you who get teary-eyed when fans criticize a player.
I'm glad Woodbury is a Hawkeye. He's an Iowan and it's important that the best Iowans play for Iowa.
That being said he deserves the criticism. I know he can do better and still believe he will... hopefully yet this year.
I'm glad Woodbury is a Hawkeye. He's an Iowan and it's important that the best Iowans play for Iowa.
That being said he deserves the criticism. I know he can do better and still believe he will... hopefully yet this year.
hawkeyebob62
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For a guy that can't dunk, he sure wins his share of opening tip-offs. Seriously, we start with a ton of offensive vs. defensive possessions.
TritonHawkeye
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I have to think that many of you are miserable in your daily lives.
This is the best frick'n team, best frick'n group of players, best frick'n coaching staff, most exciting team and highest ranked team in a long...long...long time.
And yet you *****...
Get a life or at least find one you can enjoy.
This is the best frick'n team, best frick'n group of players, best frick'n coaching staff, most exciting team and highest ranked team in a long...long...long time.
And yet you *****...
Get a life or at least find one you can enjoy.
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