A Picture Says a Thousand Words

HawkGold said:
If you've ever coached anything, there are few things more satisfying and emotional in life than beating an opponent against overwhelming odds. Undefeated doesn't even compare. That had to be one of his favorite wins ever.

I could completely be on board with that myself if I hadn't experienced the HF early years and the KF of several years ago.

Great win. Great game plan. Lot's of issues. At least the next games are something to look forward too. KF never ceases to amaze me on both ends. I hope he doesn't amaze me in Champaign unless it because he hangs 50 on Illinois.
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I'm sure we're all concerned with your expectations.

#LetsFindHawkGoldaSafeSpaceandaCuddleDog
 
tksirius said:
Hell, I'm sure if you throw out enough bad seasons, kirk ferentz has won 80% of conference games. Why don't we just do that and give him another extension. Deal?
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Lol. You just need that 3-13 start to make your point, because even you understand that winning 60% of your conference games is very good at a non blue blood program. That is what Hayden did if you take away his first two years, and same with KF. Alvarez didn't win at that clip, Fitzgerald isn't winning at the clip. Dantonio is exceeding it currently, but let's see how he sits in another 4-5 years.
 
deanvogs said:
Lol. You just need that 3-13 start to make your point, because even you understand that winning 60% of your conference games is very good at a non blue blood program. That is what Hayden did if you take away his first two years, and same with KF. Alvarez didn't win at that clip, Fitzgerald isn't winning at the clip. Dantonio is exceeding it currently, but let's see how he sits in another 4-5 years.
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Hayden Fry took over a program that was absolute dogshit, not to mention that he didn't have the fortune to play 12/13 game seasons and schedule an extra cupcake OOC opponent every year.
Barry Alvarez won 3 Rose Bowls, how many has kirk won?
Did you really just bring up Dantonio?
 
Heck let's take this further. I mean you guys are seriously delusional if you think winning 60% of you P5 conference games is "average". Bielema is at 53% and 63% if you take away his first two years at Arkansas. Saban won 63% at MSU and LSU combined.
 
tksirius said:
Hayden Fry took over a program that was absolute dogshit, not to mention that he didn't have the fortune to play 12/13 game seasons and schedule an extra cupcake OOC opponent every year.
Barry Alvarez won 3 Rose Bowls, how many has kirk won?
Did you really just bring up Dantonio?
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He's given up trying to hide who is ALT is.
 
tksirius said:
Hayden Fry took over a program that was absolute dogshit, not to mention that he didn't have the fortune to play 12/13 game seasons and schedule an extra cupcake OOC opponent every year.
Barry Alvarez won 3 Rose Bowls, how many has kirk won?
Did you really just bring up Dantonio?
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Alvarez only won 51% of his B1G games, he has to be garbage according to you. I did bring up Dantonio to show just how great he has been.

Here is the problem you have in this argument. I understand that Hayden and Barry were EXCELLENT coaches......you are trying to say a guy with the same or better P5 conference winning % is only "average".

Keep up the hate and illogical arguement, it only shows you for the toxic hater that you are.
 
deanvogs said:
No, that is what you are arguing. You are trying to make the case that a coach with way above average results is average. KF is 78-51 in the B1G over the last 15 years and you wanna say that isn't even "average".

Barry Alvarez was was a 51% winner in the B1G, and 56% if you take out his first two years. So over his last 14 years he isn't as good as KF last 15 years

I think the problem is people like you really have NO CLUE how hard it is to win 60% of your conference games over a 15 year span when you aren't Michigan or OSU.
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I gave you a like for the bold part
 
damnfinn said:
I gave you a like for the bold part
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It is like bizarro world with some of these guys. Hayden had the Iowa program in excellent shape and then over the last 11 years of his career he was 46-42 in the B1G, that is a 52% winning %. No excuses of Iowa sucked, because Fry had turned them into a power in his first 9 years. The same posters who bash KF, would be absolutely destroying Fry if he was coaching at Iowa in the social media environment. In Hayden's last 15 years he was 57% winning % in B1G play vs KF 60%

The problem with the toxic crowd is they think I'm trying to say KF is better than Fry or other coaches (which I'm not). I'm only trying to show with objective data of how hard it is to be a 60% winner in P5 conference play over 15 years.
 
deanvogs said:
It is like bizarro world with some of these guys. Hayden had the Iowa program in excellent shape and then over the last 11 years of his career he was 46-42 in the B1G, that is a 52% winning %. No excuses of Iowa sucked, because Fry had turned them into a power in his first 9 years. The same posters who bash KF, would be absolutely destroying Fry if he was coaching at Iowa in the social media environment. In Hayden's last 15 years he was 57% winning % in B1G play vs KF 60%

The problem with the toxic crowd is they think I'm trying to say KF is better than Fry or other coaches (which I'm not). I'm only trying to show with objective data of how hard it is to be a 60% winner in P5 conference play over 15 years.
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HF had his issues, the worst of which was Prevent defense. That said, HF rarely if at all talked about poor ole Iowa as an excuse and loved the media. HF winning issues were directly tied to losing coordinators. Rarely did an HF team enter any game where the fans were thinking...we're going to get killed. Never. There was always hope. That is the main issue with KF. I can never think of a year where Iowa under HF way under performed per expectations. People were willing to give HF a pass for those reasons. People believed even at the end that he would get Iowa back. With KF there isn't a game that doesn't leave some fear on the hearts of fans. If you met HF at an away game whether genuine or not, he seemed happy to see you. KF comes across, not like that.

Mostly it's in PR and perception. HF was a Master. KF makes people mad.

Toxic? There you go again.... Dean, you and your insults are toxic.
 
HawkGold said:
HF had his issues, the worst of which was Prevent defense. That said, HF rarely if at all talked about poor ole Iowa as an excuse and loved the media. HF winning issues were directly tied to losing coordinators. Rarely did an HF team enter any game where the fans were thinking...we're going to get killed. Never. There was always hope. That is the main issue with KF. I can never think of a year where Iowa under HF way under performed per expectations. People were willing to give HF a pass for those reasons. People believed even at the end that he would get Iowa back. With KF there isn't a game that doesn't leave some fear on the hearts of fans. If you met HF at an away game whether genuine or not, he seemed happy to see you. KF comes across, not like that.

Mostly it's in PR and perception. HF was a Master. KF makes people mad.

Toxic? There you go again.... Dean, you and your insults are toxic.
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Heck yeah TK is toxic. In a thread about how great a picture it was to see KF and his team, TK turned it into a Kirk isn't even an average coach ....so yeah I call him toxic.

I have never called you toxic at all. You aren't a KF supporter, but I think you can look at the data and see that KF is more than just barely an "average" coach. I think you and I are probably more in lines thinking wise than either of us would admit. I think KF has some great big warts, but to look at what he has done over the last 15 years it is hardly an "average" coaching job.....that is just hatred talking.
 
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deanvogs said:
Heck yeah TK is toxic. In a thread about how great a picture it was to see KF and his team, TK turned it into a Kirk isn't even an average coach bread.....so yeah I call him toxic.

I have never called you toxic at all. You aren't a KF supporter, but I think you can look at the data and see that KF is more than just barely an "average" coach. I think you and I are probably more in lines thinking wise than either of us would admit. I think KF has some great big warts, but to look at what he has done over the last 15 years it is hardly an "average" coaching job.....that is just hatred talking.
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We'll that's fair. I have mixed feelings about KF. I want to dislike him and I want to like him and I can't do either very well. I'm pretty sure you won't agree, but there are some real similarities between KF and HF in their approach to football philosophy. HF enjoyed a good blow out though and was a psychology major. Those are the big differences. HF's first game against IU he had IU so paranoid about the pass that he ran to an early big lead. Both really wanted to establish running before passing. KF throws long down he middle much more than HF.

KF is an HF prototype with his own personality. When HF applied to USC everyone panicked. If KF applied there would be a huge roar.

HF loved being the center of attention. KF I used to think didn't until one thinks of his negotiations over the years. He just doesn't it vastly different. HF was at the center of race barrier breaking. KF doesn't like anyone to be different.

KF might be easier to love if Iowa went down swinging. He doesn't play that way. I thought he really gambled with the fake punt until I saw the replay.
 
deanvogs said:
Heck yeah TK is toxic. In a thread about how great a picture it was to see KF and his team, TK turned it into a Kirk isn't even an average coach ....so yeah I call him toxic.

I have never called you toxic at all. You aren't a KF supporter, but I think you can look at the data and see that KF is more than just barely an "average" coach. I think you and I are probably more in lines thinking wise than either of us would admit. I think KF has some great big warts, but to look at what he has done over the last 15 years it is hardly an "average" coaching job.....that is just hatred talking.
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Dude, your kool-aid must be spiked. Outside of Iowa fans, you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't think kirk ferentz is an average coach.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
It would be great if you were the recipient of that Clemson/SC redneck war. Then we wouldn't have to read your drivel.

#LetsputTKSiriusInaRedneckWar
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I didn't know that openly calling for physical injury or death to another poster was perfectly within the forum rules.
 
HawkGold said:
I think we all need counseling or otherwise we wouldn't be here. Stop IT
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Happy Holidays, Mr. Gold!
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tksirius said:
Dude, your kool-aid must be spiked. Outside of Iowa fans, you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't think kirk ferentz is an average coach.
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Weird, I wasn't hard pressed at all to find outlets who called him the best coach in college football in several different years. Man, maybe I got these awards wrong, maybe they were actually voting him "average coach" nothing special here....


https://the5thdown.com/2015/12/16/iowas-ferentz-wins-2015-eddie-robinson-coach-of-the-year-award/

Iowa’s Ferentz wins 2015 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year Award

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/a...wa-football-coach-wins-dodd-trophy-coach-year

Kirk Ferentz, Iowa football coach, wins Dodd Trophy for coach of the year

http://www.csnchicago.com/big-ten/hawkeyes-kirk-ferentz-named-big-ten-coach-year

HAWKEYES' KIRK FERENTZ NAMED BIG TEN COACH OF THE YEAR 2015

http://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/7459/iowas-ferentz-for-big-ten-coach-of-the-year

Iowa's Ferentz for Big Ten coach of the year 2009

Iowa's Ferentz for Big Ten coach of the year 2004

Iowa's Ferentz for Big Ten coach of the year 2002

Iowa's Ferentz for AP coach of the year 2002

Iowa's Ferentz for Walter Camp coach of the year 2002
 
deanvogs said:
Weird, I wasn't hard pressed at all to find outlets who called him the best coach in college football in several different years. Man, maybe I got these awards wrong, maybe they were actually voting him "average coach" nothing special here....


https://the5thdown.com/2015/12/16/iowas-ferentz-wins-2015-eddie-robinson-coach-of-the-year-award/

Iowa’s Ferentz wins 2015 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year Award

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/a...wa-football-coach-wins-dodd-trophy-coach-year

Kirk Ferentz, Iowa football coach, wins Dodd Trophy for coach of the year

http://www.csnchicago.com/big-ten/hawkeyes-kirk-ferentz-named-big-ten-coach-year

HAWKEYES' KIRK FERENTZ NAMED BIG TEN COACH OF THE YEAR 2015

http://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/7459/iowas-ferentz-for-big-ten-coach-of-the-year

Iowa's Ferentz for Big Ten coach of the year 2009

Iowa's Ferentz for Big Ten coach of the year 2004

Iowa's Ferentz for Big Ten coach of the year 2002

Iowa's Ferentz for AP coach of the year 2002

Iowa's Ferentz for Walter Camp coach of the year 2002
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Game, set and match.
 
tksirius said:
Dude, your kool-aid must be spiked. Outside of Iowa fans, you'd be hard pressed to find someone that doesn't think kirk ferentz is an average coach.
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Except NFL coaches, GMs and scouts, as well as most current and past college football coaches and most CF commentators. Yeah, other than those guys you might be right.
 
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