MiniMoeHawk
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Damn, you might as well not even come up with a rebuttal. Owned
A Picture Says a Thousand Words
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AreWeThereYet
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So which level of college sport or professional sport are they giving out participation trophies for athletic competition. I'm not talking some handicapped ball boy getting a participation trophy. The context we are talking about is actual participants.
tksirius
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Every time one of those talking heads talks up ferentz, it comes with the caveat that Iowa can't get anything better. Seriously, when have you ever heard a national sports guru talk down an average coach? Go out in the general public and you're not going to find many football fans that think kirk ferentz is much more than an average coach, especially this year; all that 12-2 talent returning and we lose to an FCS team. Dear lord.
tksirius
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You're taking that too seriously.
tksirius
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Yep, all those awards and zero outright conference championships in 18 years. kirk has done a great job at the whole 'lil ole Iowa' shtick.
Joshbrown
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Dan Gable didn't win "B1G coach of the year" until 1993. All he did was win national titles like never before. Good coaches win awards. Great coaches win titles.
deanvogs
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Totally agree, KF is a good head coach, not a great head coach
hawkeyes87
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You know if you follow that link, at the bottom of the article is another link for a list of the past winners of this award. Coaching legends like Brian Kelly, Mike Gundy, Mark Mangino, and Charlie Weis are on that list.
Yes, awards are TRULY indicative of coaching excellence!
deanvogs
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Oh I missed where those coaches got multiple coach of the year awards over a decade apart
winning 60% of your conference games over 15 years along with 3 BCS bowl births, along with 2 undefeated conference seasons, along with 2 conference titles.
Gundy could possibly get there, maybe Kelly as well. Weiss and Mangino don't have that king of 15 year track record.
Knight78
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Your argument would be more valid if you only look at Dean's first line. He then goes on to show exactly how equal both Hayden and Kirk are against B1G opponents.
Knight78
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Two of my brothers got in a fist fight arguing over 0.002 in a MLB player's career batting average. "He had an average of .255" "NO! He had an average of .257!" One brother ended up pushing the other through a window. Your average vs above average comment is very average.
tksirius
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OWNED!
Knight78
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tksirius
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And then hawkeyes87 showed how stupid awards are. Average coach is average. Go Hawks! Let's all watch Fran and the boys tonight.
bigjim
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What a W in Kinnick under the lights!!
deanvogs
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And then hawkeyes87 showed how stupid awards are. Average coach is average. Go Hawks! Let's all watch Fran and the boys tonight.
You said in hawks think he sucks. Well I proved how stupid that is as he won Awards recognizing him as the best coach in the B1G and nationally several times over he last 15 years. Combine that with 3 BCS bowl appearance, 2 conference titles and a 60% winning % over the last 15 years. Nice try tho. Now hopefully the Hawks will own Seton Hall as badly as I've owned you in this thread.
tksirius
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You're trying too hard.
HawkeyeWalker
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It won't matter. tk really dislikes KF. I have no doubt he loves the Hawks, but his disdain for KF is palpable.
KF is not an elite coach overall, the lack of National Titles and too many losses to inferior teams...
That said, just avg coaches do not win multiple National and Conference COY awards in multiple years, separated by multiple years.
Ferentz is a good coach, that has deficiency in certain areas that can be maddening. He's definitely had below average years and games...but overall, pretty clearly above average.
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tksirius
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I never said he was below average.
HawkeyeWalker
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tksirius said: ↑
He's only averaged 7 wins a year in an era that plays 12 and/or 13 games a season. That is NOT above average.
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True, you didn't say he is below avg. so I will change my post.
Average coaches don't win multiple National and Conference COY awards though.
He's above avg. how far above average depends on the year. he's had downright terrible years too(more great years than terrible years), but overall, he's been above avg, by almost any measure.
It's ok man, you really dislike KF, I get it.
