HawkGold
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No, they are poorly coached. First, all those things you mention are a part of coaching. Teams take on the personality of the coach. Watch the fundamentals. They are poor. What else about coaching is there?
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No, they are poorly coached. First, all those things you mention are a part of coaching. Teams take on the personality of the coach. Watch the fundamentals. They are poor. What else about coaching is there?
HawkeyeWalker
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I disagree on fundamentals being poor. This staff and KF can be criticized for game plan, playcalling, being over conservative, and click management(although that has been much better the last couple years), and recruiting.
All that said, and that's plenty, if recruiting is subpar, and all coaching, fundamentals are poor, how the helll do we ever win or have a year like last year?
Plenty to be critical of, but fundamentals, development, and mentoring are not in the list.
Find one former player that says KF isn't intense. It's the biggest falacy out there, because of the demeanor we see on the sidlines, press conferences. It's been pretty well noted by former players....the guy is intense in practice and drills.
KF has plenty of faults, keeping Davis and not giving a good OC full autonomy is his biggest, IMO.
Poor coaching doesn't build the track record KF has, no matter how weak the OOC schedule is.
I get as frustrated as many. There are loses that have been indefensible....
One man's take.
proudhawkfan21
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Well I was a coach. And you are wrong. I think the fact that this staff has helped grow dozens and dozens of nfl players and that nfl player personnel executives rave about Iowa coached kids is all the proof You need that we have a great staff. You suppose they are just being lazy coaches this year? Seems about right. Hey GD pass me the bottle of tequila. Sure thing KF.
There is one FACT that can never be over looked. There are few programs that coach kids better than at Iowa. Quit blaming people when things don't go your way. In every game one team wins and one team loses. Sometimes you get beat. The only people playing the games..the only people that can actually win or lose the games are players. How many 4 star players on our roster? How many games do we play where we truly have more talented kids? You think it's the staff's fault that Johnson and bazata are under performing? They coached them up last year but this year they said..hey..don't play so hard...I'm not gonna try hard either. Lol Blame it on the coaches.
I can get behind poor play calling...but in the end the kids execute..every play is designed to be successful if properly executed. If the defense or opponent does the same...who wins? The better athlete? Ok..we have better athletes than...who?
It's laughable that our staff doesn't coach when any next level expert says the contrary is true. An argument against the quality of coaching on the Iowa staff is opinion but fails in fact. If you are ONLY judged on wins and losses or fan expectations for championships, there is one coach a year who isn't a failure.
proudhawkfan21
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You expect someone to take on a different personality than his own? Tom Landry was swag master P. Bill Bellichick...swaggy P. Don Shula....sergeant of S to the W.A.G.
I coached with a hall of fame Iowa high school football coach and he didn't swag. Coach Ed Thomas is another HOF coach I knew well and you damn well know there was no cockiness or swag taught there.
If there isn't any confidence in a D-1 college athlete and he is a big ten starter...well then you know what the staff is dealing with then don't you. How scared is the next kid? That's not coaching. You can't force a kid to be aggressive. Try to motivate for sure. But fundamentals and discipline are the only thing a coach can coach. You can ask or attempt to motivate a kid..but I'm the end..the kid is the one who has to choose. If you need to be motivated by another grown man to succeed...God help us all. Motivated to play a game. To get paid a great college education to play a game. I can't blame a coach for a kid who is scared.
HawkeyeDenis
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The one thing that has shocked me this year is the lack of defensive line play. Ekaketie (or what ever his name is) and Johnson were supposed to be among the best in the West this year. So far it looks like a couple of freshmen out there taking their lumps. Except for one game where Johnson stood out they are non-productive.
CJ isn't nearly as mobile as he was last year. His accuracy is down. He doesn't look like himself out on the field.
CJ isn't nearly as mobile as he was last year. His accuracy is down. He doesn't look like himself out on the field.
You can knock the cockiness or swag OUT of a kid or person though. Look at basic training. That's what I'm suggesting may be happening. It's a "One of us" thing.
HawkGold
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You must not have been a very good coach. From the top, Iowa has produced very few impact players in the NFL. Some, but not many. Lot's of summer players and roster fillers.
Sorry, but some of the Iowa guys are known for lacking in fundamentals on the line. What they oft are known for is good solid back ups who are coachable. Never said anything about lazy coaches.
Actually Iowa has some 4 star players which is why they do better than Clowns, though they may not beat Clowns.
Iowa's assistant's are being recruited much for HC jobs. That is telling.
If the play calling is poor, that's on the coaches. If they have a team of under performers, that it coaching. If they don't have more 4 stars, that is coaching.
KF has had 1 really good assistant, but he is gone. Also, KOK was likely not as bad as thought.
It's laughable that a team with so much NFL talent has really struggled since after 2009 except for one year really. There are a lot of one year wonder coaches.
So, are you saying that with so many losses to MAC/FCS and ISU that they have superior players? You are beyond laughable. 4 games into the season and Iowa struggles against a Rutgers with a challenged coaching staff and lacking in recruits. The mental mistakes were terrible. That is on the coaches. This after losing to a powerful team that had the advantage of 22 fewer scholarships. Guess Fargo is easier to get top dogs to sign with. It's just a crawling hotbed compared to Iowa City.
You are quite welcome to have your opinions. Don't call me laughable unless you look in the mirror first MR Coach.
SteveGarvey1
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Embarrassment is not the right word. It would have been embarrassing had we lost. Unimpressive is a better word. So is disappointing.
How did our defense get worse this year? We only lost Nate Meier in the front 4 and returned three LB's. I thought we'd be better at run defense just based on experience. Last year teams weren't able to run the ball at will, right down the middle. That's two teams in a row that have. Rutgers out-gained us and we were fortunate they didn't score 3 times in the red zone.
94HawkMA
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I think Iowa goes 7-5 this year. Iowa will lose to WI, MI, and NE. Also, we will lose to either MN or PSU. This may even be optimistic. There is no chemistry on this team. Two obvious signals: CJ calls out the offensive line after the NDSU game. You don't do that. Also, King is not voted captain this week. This is a very average to below average big 10 team. No receivers. Probably the most shocking thing: Very soft against the run. I thought this would be a strength of this team.
ChosenChildren
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One wide receiver that can separate will make all the difference. Where is that guy??????
kicker22
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I don't know if its so much the defense getting worse or the fact they just aren't making tackles. The big plays we're giving up aren't because guys are getting behind us or around us but because we're simply over pursuing, trying to make arm tackles or simply trying to hack/strip the ball rather than wrapping them up or putting a helmet on the ball.
MelroseHawkins
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This is what's been going thru my head. I realize in college football, it doesn't take much to throw a team off and there is little room for error, but, how can a team looks so drastically different that was supposed to be sitting a bit better than the year before when had a successful season. What is going on?
proudhawkfan21
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No, actually, your post should stand on its own as ignorant lol Let's see...Greenway..s. Greene..gallery...scherff...bulaga...Steinbach....Reilly reiff..Bob Sanders..Yanda..s. Chandler..d. Clark...m Hyde...m. Daniels...a million defensive backs...babineaux...m Roth..angerer. Go back to Ames and cuddle with your Fred Hoiberg blow up doll.
It is a fool who blames the coaching staff for not getting enough 4 star players to come to Iowa. Are you serious? You can be butt hurt all you want but Jesus Christ won't get more than 6-7 4 stars here. Fact. I asked him.
I probably wasn't a very good coach. I didn't win a national championship...so fact again. Awww. Dang it. Guess I should go back to coaching for a day so they can fire me lol
When you make a comment about the coaches that flies in the face of most every executive or next level expert...you get called out. Show me an NFL person that doesn't like Ferentz. One. Not a USA today or espn writer...not your mama over in Ames holding onto your lafester Rhodes Iowa game signed jock with inhaler tubes attached to the testicular pouch...one person. And if you find one...two? Ferentz is a good coach. The limits to his program are the limits any coach faces. How many national titles did Fry have? Name one guy who would actually come here...to put up with this crap. Hard to recruit and you aren't appreciated by a fan base who is lucky to have you.
proudhawkfan21
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That's a valid point. An interesting perspective. It probably can be true. Although there are a boatload of examples such as angerer..Roth..Sanders..the motor city gang lol that kept some personality. Who knows? Could be a factor. I think your motor is your motor though. I think it's hard to make a kid lose enthusiasm and then ask them to go out and play big10 football. I don't think a coach would attempt that strategy.
HawkGold
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You are starting to sound like ICKE. Do you ever watch game film? Ever watch game film? Ever watch RB positions on screens? Good coaches make adjustments. Iowa has plenty of players that inhale at local hotels. You must throw your players under the bus when you lose. Ames? LOL. Good coaches don't throw ARob into a stacked line 3 times in a row till he's head banged senseless when the game is out of reach. The guy is a poor coach in major aspects of his game and mediocre overall. Get over it. Clowns like being bad. Proud Hawks shouldn't be.
How does a good coach have less than 100 yards per game passing to WRs in todays game with the schedule Iowa has had?
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proudhawkfan21
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Your post is gibberish. Lol Are you Ok? Seriously read back through your own post and take an English language course or visit a therapist. "At no point in your rambling did you make a point. I award you no points for this round and may God have mercy on your soul." lol
You may indeed have your opinion. It is your right. But you attacked my opinion in the first place with opinion that you continue to attempt to pass of as fact. I have facts in my arguments about NFL player personnell opinions about KF's coaching of kids and teaching them next level skills. I have given examples of players who have succeeded greatly at the next level. Your best argument is to check tape of rb alignment for a screen play? Or how many times your boy ran into the line? Ok. Geez. I'm sure you were in the coaches meetings that week when they determined rb depth from throwing darts at a board. If your argument is that KF has questionable play calling or is too conservative or isn't perfect..you might be correct. If your argument is that he isn't a good coach because you saw a play that was misaligned once or we tried to play smashmouth football and slam it up inside 3 straight plays or because his record isn't 224-0...it's opinion and shouldn't be portrayed as fact. Tylenol for headaches, mydol for cramps.
You may indeed have your opinion. It is your right. But you attacked my opinion in the first place with opinion that you continue to attempt to pass of as fact. I have facts in my arguments about NFL player personnell opinions about KF's coaching of kids and teaching them next level skills. I have given examples of players who have succeeded greatly at the next level. Your best argument is to check tape of rb alignment for a screen play? Or how many times your boy ran into the line? Ok. Geez. I'm sure you were in the coaches meetings that week when they determined rb depth from throwing darts at a board. If your argument is that KF has questionable play calling or is too conservative or isn't perfect..you might be correct. If your argument is that he isn't a good coach because you saw a play that was misaligned once or we tried to play smashmouth football and slam it up inside 3 straight plays or because his record isn't 224-0...it's opinion and shouldn't be portrayed as fact. Tylenol for headaches, mydol for cramps.
Knight78
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Our run defense is OK early. As the game wears on and we get more and more "3-and-out"s, the defense gets tired and they give up more yards. Also, if the subs are in we give up more yards. Double-edged sword, there.
How good of a coach are you???? Tell us more......
I read somewhere that an NFL exec treats Iowa players like a 2 year player when they get drafted..for how well prepared they are..And Ferentz's sideline demeanor drives me crazy sometimes..but apparently last week..some journalist on Twitter said Ferentz literally ripped into Snyder on the sideline for a good minute..Snyder came back in and finished strong..by not acting all Paul Rhodes all the time makes your emotional outburst much more effective..Works as a dad..
