Bigtenchamp
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Nate is definately not the most accurate - He has size and arm strength, but no way a quarterback with his lack of accuracy can make it long in the NFL.
$5 mil a year to bonehead go for 2 early in the game!!!
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Nate is definately not the most accurate - He has size and arm strength, but no way a quarterback with his lack of accuracy can make it long in the NFL.
Bigtenchamp
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So do you have to be in the red zone going for it on 4th down to be chasing points? What if you go for it from the 50 yard line?
How close to you need to be to be scoring to be "chasing points" if you are going for it on 4th?
HawkeyeWalker
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Players make coaches look good....and bad...all the time.
They are both "chasing points". The announcers were even talking about it before the 4th down play. Do you gamble there or go down one score? Kirk could have "taken points" (stupid ass saying) and kicked a field goal for 3 points. He could have "taken points" and kicked the PAT. Both times he took risks to get extra points . They were both the exact same decision. They were either both stupid, both smart, or both 50/50.
I dont care about other examples. I care about the thing that happened. We either get 0 points or 6 after that one play. He could have taken the higher probability of 3 points or risked a lower probability of 6 points. The way the defense way playing I agree with his call.
teachercoach
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Agree - however - "Never go for 2 until you have to" is an age old guideline for a reason. Too many crazy things happen in a football game - quickly.
And "chasing points" does not burn you more than it helps. It's just whenever someone does something other than something from the coaches handbook (that was written in the 50s) it gives announcers something to look back on. If we get that 2 pt conversion and win because of it, it goes unnoticed.
EstronHawkKing
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Wisconsin game in 2015, and we got lucky because the Badger QB fumbled the ball twice inside our 10 yrd line.
Bigtenchamp
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I get your logic.. but honestly have never heard anyone correlate those two things as the same. Your almost headed towards the logic as playing offense is "chasing points." I get ya boss, but they are different, they are somewhat related (depending on field position) but no the same thing.
Going for 2 is only a bad idea if you dont get it and end up losing by 1. Or if you have to try again later, dont get it again, and lose by exactly 2.
HawkeyeWalker
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Oh, I agree. It was far too early to go for 2. But if the first one is a better throw or great catch....
I am with you man and I dont think these other posters feel the difference between scrimmage plays and the percentages of conversion plays. It is just a totally different thing.
Thanks for jumping in here BigtenChamp
Every decision should be based on what gives you the best chance to win at that exact moment. I felt better about going for it on 4th because I dont think we win if we're down 8 at that point. I liked our decision to go for 2 because I dont like our chances of we're down by 4. Our offense needed every point they could get in that game. Leaving 4 off the board from the 3 yard line isn't a good idea when your defense cant get a stop. Leaving 1 off the board isn't a good idea either.
I dont get how people always think fewer points are better than more points just because they're more likely.
iloveyoularrystation
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At the time he was "chasing points, are defense couldn't stop anybody." The offense on the other hand had just marched down there and scored a td. Both times the play was there, they just missed it. Ferentz put them in a position to make plays, they didn't. Our defense had nothing today, they've been phenomenal all year. Our pass rush couldn't get to Blaugh for some reason, and it sucked, we lost. If he'd have kicked extra points and we still would have lost the same people would be on here saying he's not aggressive enough, they don't want to win. Hindsight is always 20-20 gang. Its why after the game we are all geniuses on what should have happened.
WinOneThisCentury
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Bunch of dumbass in this thread. Hindsight is 20/20. Let me ask a question...down 3 at the end of the game, do you really think that Brohm doesn't try to score a touchdown at the end? While were in LALA land, I think Purdue gets a touchdown to win the game there.
Bigtenchamp
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Going for it on 4th made sense.. as far as risk and reward. We make the FG and we are still down 8 pts.
Going for the 2 pt conversion didn't make sense.
Exactly. If he thinks it's too early to chase points, he kicks a field goal to go down 8. Instead we walked away from that possession down 5. A net gain of 3 points.
Bigtenchamp
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I'm going to guess them having to score a touchdown in that situation decreases our chance of losing by at least 30%
Not saying they don't score, but it's still a significant difference.
