Yeah is what it is man... He's got about as uphill of a climb as any one else with similar attributes has had. Compare him to Desmond King. Moss is probably faster then King an inch maybe 2 taller. Had a monster JR yr. Yet King wasn't taken till what was it 5th round and he's black. If Moss is taken in the 6th or 7th round I'll be pleasantly surprised but I don't see him getting taken any sooner. He may very well not at all.
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trj
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I get your point. If this was your thesis for a grad paper you would be correct and you could break it down and talk correlation, body type and all the other complicated race stuff.
IMO, I just think you are over thinking it. I am not thinking of him “breaking through” or “being the one”. I’m thinking of him being the 5th or 6th DB on a NFL roster that’s it. You don’t need to be a dynamic athlete to do that.
All bets are off if he runs a shitty 40 and sucks at the 3 cone drill.
okeefe4prez
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I get your point. If this was your thesis for a grad paper you would be correct and you could break it down and talk correlation, body type and all the other complicated race stuff.
IMO, I just think you are over thinking it. I am not thinking of him “breaking through” or “being the one”. I’m thinking of him being the 5th or 6th DB on a NFL roster that’s it. You don’t need to be a dynamic athlete to do that.
All bets are off if he runs a shitty 40 and sucks at the 3 cone drill.
I think his NFL ceiling is to be buried deep in the secondary depth chart, like so deep that the only plays he will be on the field with the defense are Hail Mary plays. And he will play special teams and be really good at that.
Fryowa
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I went to our lads (depth chart site) and counted all cornerbacks listed on NFL rosters—bored at lunch, what can I say—168 active corners in the league and not a single one is a white dude. He’s not gonna be 5th or 6th anywhere because it simply doesn’t exist. It’s not a thing. Special teams…maybe, I guess? I mean gunners are a dime a dozen and at that point we aren’t even talking about the skills that are supposedly making him such a hot commodity.I get your point. If this was your thesis for a grad paper you would be correct and you could break it down and talk correlation, body type and all the other complicated race stuff.
IMO, I just think you are over thinking it. I am not thinking of him “breaking through” or “being the one”. I’m thinking of him being the 5th or 6th DB on a NFL roster that’s it. You don’t need to be a dynamic athlete to do that.
All bets are off if he runs a shitty 40 and sucks at the 3 cone drill.
If he got signed it’d be to a short stint on a practice squad and done. He doesn’t have the size or speed to play safety, IMO. But…practice squad is better than not being able to say you have it a shot. I hope he proves me wrong and makes a career out of it.
I don't think NFL front offices care if a DB is white or black. The reason there hasn't been a white starting CB in the NFL for 20+ years is the same as the reason that a white male has not won a world championship in the 100m in over 40 years.
Why might Moss be different?
NFL teams employ more DBs than they used to.
We will see what Moss runs at combine/pro-day, but his speed is pretty elite. His best time as a senior in 110H (admittedly, wind-aided) would have placed him 8th at the B1G T&F championships last spring. And guys get faster from 18 to early-20s.
He is fundamentally sound, and is a good fit for slot/hybrid corner with his sure tackling.
He has some dawg in him. He is a lot like Kittle that way: goofy enough to have no fear, not so goofy that he becomes a distraction.
Pretty good recent track record for Iowa DBs (although not necessarily at CB).
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Tough to refute that data. I do think he will buck the trend, but am perhaps naive. I just think his 40-time is going to wow people.
okeefe4prez
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I think what you are trying to say is that "Riley Moss is a gym rat with deceptive speed. The guy is a ball hawk. Has a nose for the ball. He's like a coach on the field. Hardest working guy on the team. First one to arrive at practice, last one to leave. A true student of the game. Brings his lunch pail everywhere."
If he runs like a 4.4 flat or under then yeah that'd be head turning. If he runs like a 4.48 then well sure that's pretty dang fast but he'd be right towards the front of a big pack of dudes all doing that. So far Iowa's always had him at outside corner on the same side of the field pretty much. He hasn't covered inside the slot much if at all. I don't think he's played safety. So his versatility is somewhat limited by what they can see on tape of him.
I'm rooting for the dude I'd love for him to be the modern Jason Sehorn and carry that flag for awhile. I just think the deck is stacked against him even getting more then a fair shake. But we'll see.
okeefe4prez
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I lived in New York when Sehorn played for the Giants. It was truly remarkable, seemingly every Giants fan had a Sehorn jersey and seemingly every Jets fan had either a Wayne Chrebet or Vinny Testaverde jersey. I went to a Jets game and won a Chrebet jersey in 2000. I still have it and will rock it once a decade when I hear the Jets are in the playoffs. It is pretty badass.
trj
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We get it, man. They are black or have been black for the last 22 years. I have no idea if Kevin Kaeviharn counts in this discussion or not, but whatever.
First of all, every NFL team has at least 6 DB(s) on their roster. How that is divided between safeties and corners depends on myriad of things. Your math on roster composition is waay the F off.
Secondly, do a little homework. Do a quick google search on his draft prospects. Most people have him in that 5-10 range in terms of a cornerback prospect, the lowest I saw was 19th.
No one is saying he is going to be the Christian McCaffrey of cornerbacks, but he can be a Rex Burkhead.
trj
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Don't you know? NFL teams aren't looking for any of that shit. Moss should just move back to Des Moines and play for the Barnstomers, maybe go to the Quad Cities and play for the Steamwheelers. Oh, btw, you realize he is white, right?
99topdawg
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Just like there have been 2 white 1000 yard rushers in the last 40 years. You don't even see many white CB's or RB's in college. They get moved to S/WR/TE/LB, etc.
Not any different than moving blacks away from QB 50 years ago. Before the 1987 Super Bowl a reporter asked Doug Williams "How long have you been a black quarterback?" He didn't get moved away from the position because he played at Grambling (and was a helluva QB).The Oilers, the shittiest team in the league, signed Warren Moon from the CFL after he threw for over 5000 yards in back-to-back seasons in 1984. He's about as underrated of a QB in the history of the NFL as there is. A freaking stud. Think if he played today when it's a penalty to play defense.
Fryowa
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Yeah I remember when I was a kid he got like a $10 million dollar contract which was the biggest one ever. I remember my old man going, “Holy shit” when he read it in the paper (ahh the good old days before the internet).
He's kinda had to play a lot of CB with Roberts and Harris both being out for much of the year. I think he woulda been more of a full time cash player otherwise. Next yr I kinda thought we'd see him and XN be the safeties (what an athletic pairing that'd make my God) Next yr seems like a million yrs away at this point tough to think that far out with how things have been going overall...
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Here's the thing that gets me with DeJean...opposing QBs think a WR is going to be open, and then through some combination of instinct/explosivenss/technique, all of a sudden it looks like DeJean is the one running the route and the ball hits him right in the hands. QBs have gotten a bit smarter about testing him, but that dude is going to be special. I think I like him at Cash, best. Can take advantage of his coverage skills and physicality. But that is not an option this year with the injuries at corner. Would love to see a healthy Roberts, that guy is a blast to watch.
Northside Hawk
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Moon would have held all the NFL records when he retired had he not gone undrafted after his 1978 final college season and exhiled to Canada for five years. The stereotypes of the era definitely worked against him.
