Great minds. Hesse's story is awesome. To do that and stick in the NFL longer then the average career length is impressive as all get out.
2023 NFL Predictions…
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Fryowa
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Even if he wows at the combine, where's he going to fit on an active roster? Moss is in that no man's land of size and let's face it, he's just not going to be a CB in the NFL. Troy Apke was WAY more physically gifted than Moss and even he couldn't hang on, and Moss doesn't have the size for safety. Riley's great as a Hawkeye where he's at but it doesn't translate to the bigs.
I think he will be a slot-corner, ala Desmond King. He doesn't have the ball skills of King, but he is 3" taller and is going to run 4.4 or better in the 40; that is going to catch someone's eye. And he has always been a terrific tackler.
One other thing he has going for him: he seems to truly believe that he is a bad MOFO. You can't have any doubts about yourself if you want to succeed at DB at the next level, and I don't think Moss does.
NorthKCHawk
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I don't disagree that he is not a starting CB in the NFL. But, if he runs a crazy 40 time I could see someone giving him a shot to be in the mix as a nickel back knowing that he could be an effective gunner on special teams as well. He is small, but he has really good speed and can tackle. Odds are against him, but not impossible.
Fryowa
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We can disagree. I just don't see anything in Moss that's going to break the mold that's already been set for a long time.
If Iowa's roster can be trusted, he isn't really small. Average NFL corner is 5' 11", 193lbs. Moss is listed as 6' 1", 193 lbs. I bet most corners have crazy-long arms, not sure how Moss will rate along that metric. But he is pretty averagish with regard to height and weight.
Fryowa
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They fudge it to make it look right.
When Kyler Schott was around there was a long running joke with the media about him being listed as 6-2. I’ve stood next to him on a few occasions and that dude wasn’t even 6 feet tall let alone 6-2. All I remember is thinking, “That’s the smallest offensive lineman I’ve ever seen in my life” when I was up close. How he did so well against gigantic, brick shithouse DLineman in the Big Ten is beyond me.
trj
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With NFL teams in nickel or dime at least 50% of the time, he could absolutely be someone's slot corner. No team is going to ask him to play on the outside and lock people up. Fry doesn't watch a lot of NFL, he doesn't realize slot corner is actually a define position on most NFL teams.
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Fryowa
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Ok, name a white slot corner then…
And after that exercise, let us know how Moss is going to be the first one, especially with 40+ other CBs entering the draft ranked ahead of him. There has been one single white guy in the past 22 years that's gotten time at CB and he only got a sniff. And...that guy was WAY more of a physical specimen than Moss. The Mitch King goggles are plentiful around here
ssckelley
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Because they don't get to choose where they play, the coaches do. When you're on scholarship in a P5 football program you will play any position that gets you on to the field.
But with this thinking his dad should have just told him to play baseball. There are not many positions in the NFL dominated by white people tightend, quarterback, perhaps lineman (I did no research on this). If Moss grades out well in the combines it's possible he could find himself drafted or signed as a UDFA and land on a practice squad. I don't think the darkness of his skin is graded on those reports.
Fryowa
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It's not, but at the same time 22 years is a hell of a lot of correlation. Like a LOT.
I don't see an attribute that's going to buck that correlation, especially when you look at some of his peers that haven't made it.
trj
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Wow, you are going to take it there…alright. That is equivalent to asking who is the best white American born player currently in the NBA.
I will tell you what I do know. He can run, turn his his hips and he can tackle. The NFL is about “cheap” labor, you are not going to pay a vet 2 mil when you can pay a rook 700,000 to do the exact same shit, regardless of skin tone.
I don’t know where you are getting your info from, but there are about 10-15 guys ahead of him, which according to my math makes him a late round pick.
I will take it a step further, no one will notice or even care until there is a white dude who can play on the outside and lock people up.
No one has Mitch King goggles on. This idea of “he is white, he can’t do it” is such a dumb way to look at things.
Fryowa
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It's not a deal of he's white so he can't do it, it's 22 years of no one else doing it. There's obviously something going on. Tell me a substantive reason why he would be the breakout guy. If he were some kind of physical freak, or a multiple all American, or was setting the world on fire you'd have a totally valid point. There have been 750+ CBs since the early 2000s, what's the thing that's going to make him the one to make it? I totally get hoping he makes it, I hope he does too.
ssckelley
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22 years of what? No white guy playing corner in the NFL for the past 22 years?
NorthKCHawk
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Yep. I think that is about right. I can't think of anyone since Seehorn. Certainly can't think of a good white CB in the last generation in the NFL.
Look, I think we all get that discussions of race can get dicey, but in fairness to Fry, he is just quoting facts, not saying why it is the case. And his point, and its hard to argue with it, is Moss such a dynamic, game changing athlete that he will be the one to break through whatever ceiling this is? I certainly would not bet my money that Moss will make it as a CB in the NFL. He can make it in other spots though.
Truth is you don't see very many white point guards in the NBA. Ditto the sprint events at the Olympics. How many white RBs do you see in the NFL (not FBs, RBs)? These are just facts.
Hawkboys
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But because you don't see any now, nor very many historically, does not automatically mean there never will be again. And if anyone can produce one in CFB, it's Phil Parker!!
Tho, it's still not likely.
Fryowa
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Yeah that's what I'm talking about. Whatever the reason, it just doesn't happen. That's all I'm saying. I never said he sucks because he's white, just that a 22 year trend doesn't seem like it's going to change.
