2017-18 Basketball rotation... Best guess/wish list!
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DBQHAWK85
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I saw something about him coming out in early june....
Some of us may be jumping the gun a little with how much Nunge and Garza may be playing/impacting the rotation early on. I'm not saying they won't I just want to see it first. Wagner due to his offensive limitations I can see having his time shortened a lot. If you can't shoot jumpers not to mention free throws your a liability out there compared to others that can. Pemsl brings more to the table offensively even though he can't shoot well either so I see him playing more then Wagner.
I'm not so sure we'll see Nunge starting right away over Baer. That would surprise me. (if he's that darn good it'd be a pleasant surprise) I just have a feeling Baer will start the year as a starter and how things go we'll just have to see.
Where Garza fits in is anybodies guess. The opinions go from he'll start day one to he'll be competing with Kriener for mins. I really have no clue what to think on him and how his skills translate till he's playing against D1 big boys. He clearly has an offensive game and hustles. I like that he can shoot a little bit like Kreiner. We all thought that Purdue game would be Kreiners coming out party but he kinda came back to earth after that. So let's be patient with the big kids and their expectations.
The take on how with the depth of our front court being what it is should really impact our defensive strategy is spot on. I don't want to give up nearly as many layups this year. Way way too many of those were given up. Blame the guards all you want for that too but the big guys are the rim protectors and if you have 30 plus fouls to give I'd rather see them shooting 70% or less from the line then 85% or better at point blank range...
I'm not so sure we'll see Nunge starting right away over Baer. That would surprise me. (if he's that darn good it'd be a pleasant surprise) I just have a feeling Baer will start the year as a starter and how things go we'll just have to see.
Where Garza fits in is anybodies guess. The opinions go from he'll start day one to he'll be competing with Kriener for mins. I really have no clue what to think on him and how his skills translate till he's playing against D1 big boys. He clearly has an offensive game and hustles. I like that he can shoot a little bit like Kreiner. We all thought that Purdue game would be Kreiners coming out party but he kinda came back to earth after that. So let's be patient with the big kids and their expectations.
The take on how with the depth of our front court being what it is should really impact our defensive strategy is spot on. I don't want to give up nearly as many layups this year. Way way too many of those were given up. Blame the guards all you want for that too but the big guys are the rim protectors and if you have 30 plus fouls to give I'd rather see them shooting 70% or less from the line then 85% or better at point blank range...
hawkeyemark
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Good take here and I agree that whatever we get from Garza and Nunge we have to start protecting the rim better- where the absence of Woodbury really affected us this last season IMO. Whether or not Baer starts at small forward seems an interesting question going into next season given his effectiveness coming in off the bench. I think Moss could play there but that leaves a hole at shooting guard where I don't see Ellingson as a starter but continuing his role as a guard we can bring in off the bench to keep things flowing. Connor no matter how much priority he gives to basketball doesn't seem like a kid who can start his first season and I think will help us more as role player at point guard. We really need Daley to develop in the offseason IMO.
NikeHawk21
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We might be jumping the gun a bit on the incoming Freshman, but after the success the freshman had this season it's easy to see why.
To me it comes down to defense. If Garza can protect the rim as a more "true 5" he will have a pretty big role. The problem is projecting defense for young guys is pretty tough to do, as we also saw firsthand this year. I don't know if he will start out of the gates but I think by B1G season he might be starting at 5 if he can play defense. I'd guess to start the year Fran may keep Wagner in there. The nice thing with Garza is it appears he does have an offensive game as well.
G- JBo
G- Moss
F- Baer
F- Wagner
F- Cook
By B1G play I could see Garza sliding in for Wagner.
G- JBo
G- Moss
F- Baer
F- Cook
C- Garza
Originally I thought Nunge might be a redshirt candidate but from all I've heard recently is it sounds like he's going to be too good to keep off the floor. What his role might be I'm not sure.
PTL and our Euro trip will be very intriguing. I hope all three of the newcomers play in PTL.
DBQHAWK85
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I agree with your take on the situation but I can also say the same things about wagner pemsl and baer. All three of them are undersized and have deficiencies in their games. Garza and nunge are both much more typical size and both have shown a more complete game than the current iowa players. I think you are assuming they will improve to the same degree we are assuming the freshman will make an immediate impact.
That is why I choose Nunge and Garza over our current guys to move into the rotation by mid year or so.
wagner baer and pemsl are not going to grow physically; that is. all of them can improve technically, emotionally and experience wise however the current players will always be undersized which makes them have to be much better to get the same results as a true sized player.
That is why I went with my choices.
DBQHAWK85
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PTL and euro trip are going to be huge in developing the freshman. That is another advantage the freshman have and another reason I was okay with choosing them over current players.
DBQHAWK85
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That was a great point made in the thread I did not consider. Why are we not being way more physical when we have that many bodies and fouls to be super aggressive in the paint. That is one area Fran is neglecting to take advantage of an obvious plus for us!
hawkeyemark
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Your line-ups make much sense to me with Wagner getting the early nod for his defense and overall toughness. I hope both Garza and Nunge get here early this summer and get to work blending in with the team as they will both play important roles right from the start even coming off the bench. We won't see Connor in the PTL due to playing baseball and I would guess he will join the team in whatever capacity come fall practice.
DBQHAWK85
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Yeah I just can't see anyone but Moss starting at the 2. Ellingson is who he is. He'll give ya a hot game here and there but he isn't able to play big mins game in and game out and be effective. Baer to me last year was just needed too much off the bench. Next year without Jok I think he'll be needed right out of the gate starting with his energy. He may only add a couple mins or so to his overall PT but he'll be with the first unit more and obviously in crunch time. Dailey seems to be the odd man out. If CM is anything close to being what Jeff Horner was as a player (my best comparison anyway style wise) then there won't be many mins for Dailey again...
What happened last year not just with our group of freshman but around the league wasn't normal. We've had a freshman here and there play great before. But not three like we did. Not to mention the potential Kriener showed. That just isn't normal and to expect lightning to strike twice is optimistic is all. I agree with your initial starting lineup. I think Wagner will eventually get phased out be it Pemsl, Garza or Nunge. The competition for mins is going to be fierce for that front court. I'd love to be apart of practices leading up to the season. Just hope everyone stays healthy.
BrueCrew3
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I have to agree. By the sounds of it, CW is sticking around. (Thank you CW!) The point guard rotation appears to be set with JBo, in all likelihood, starting and CW next in line. It's also possible Fran will, at times, have both of them on the floor at the same time. (Just me thinking out loud .. maybe wishful thinking? I have no inside information.) If those two aren't playing the point, they could slide into the two along with Moss, CMac, and Ellingson.
So the question becomes what about Maishe Dailey? IMHO MD needs to consider red-shirting 2017-18. I believe he would benefit from an extra year in the weight room and playing the scout team during practice, ala Baer. With another year of practice experience, he could be JBo's counterpart for two years and give Iowa a solid point guard his senior year.
Just my $.02 .. .. GO HAWKS!!!
Yeah it'll be interesting to see what Dailey does. I don't see much PT in his future at Iowa. Somebody has to be on the end of the bench. Yet more and more guys seem to leave once they realize where they are on the pecking order. Seems like a nice kid and all. Just can't see how he'll find any kind of a meaningful role on this team.
ibahawkeye
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I like Baer coming off the bench too but I don't think we will have that luxury next year. I think we need him to start at the 3. The only other option I could see which I don't like would be Ellingson as a 2 and Moss as a 3.
NikeHawk21
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As I said before, I'm not giving up on Dailey. Not every player is ready to contribute as a freshman, but that doesn't mean they can't down the road. FWIW I don't really see CM playing next year so that's part of the reason I think Dailey might have an opportunity.
Iowa needs to improve its defense, including on the perimeter. At 6'6 with long arms and good athleticism, I think Dailey has the potential to be a good defender. Offensively it sounds like he's a pretty good 3pt shooter that can dribble and pass the ball.
I couldn't find it but there was an article during the year that talked about the freshman class. A couple of the players were raving about Dailey in practice. Unfortunately there just wasn't a lot of room for him last year. Jok's departure gives him an opportunity.
The bottom line is Fran is going to be forced to make some tough decisions with the rotation in the coming years, likely benching upperclassmen that got minutes in previous years.
Say for the sake of argument that Nunge redshirts, which is unlikely, I'd have Dailey in a 10 man rotation, with Uhl and Kriener as the odd men out (too many bigs).
Iowa needs to improve its defense, including on the perimeter. At 6'6 with long arms and good athleticism, I think Dailey has the potential to be a good defender. Offensively it sounds like he's a pretty good 3pt shooter that can dribble and pass the ball.
I couldn't find it but there was an article during the year that talked about the freshman class. A couple of the players were raving about Dailey in practice. Unfortunately there just wasn't a lot of room for him last year. Jok's departure gives him an opportunity.
The bottom line is Fran is going to be forced to make some tough decisions with the rotation in the coming years, likely benching upperclassmen that got minutes in previous years.
Say for the sake of argument that Nunge redshirts, which is unlikely, I'd have Dailey in a 10 man rotation, with Uhl and Kriener as the odd men out (too many bigs).
mopkins
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My hope is that Nunge forces his way into the starting rotation as the 3.
