ibahawkeye
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You don't see many guys at 6'10" playing the 3 spot in college basketball.
2017-18 Basketball rotation... Best guess/wish list!
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You don't see many guys at 6'10" playing the 3 spot in college basketball.
NikeHawk21
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His listed height isn't so much concern as would be his foot speed. Uthoff (Jr Yr) made it work at the 3 at 6'9. Length can be an equalizer to speed.
Vitto Brown was technically UW's starting 3 this year at 6'8 and I think that Nunge has every bit the foot speed that he does.
Another point is that Iowa plays more zone than most teams.
mopkins
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Yeah I was thinking the Uthoff mold. It all comes down to his shooting ability.
NikeHawk21
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To me it comes down to his defense. We can't afford to have another defensive liability out there, especially if it meant replacing arguably our best defense player Baer in the starting lineup.
NikeHawk21
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Aaron White
Mike Gesell
Melsahn Basabe
Anthony Clemmons
Josh Oglesby
I'd say Fran has a pretty good track record of freshman playing and producing.
OBhawk
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Josh Oglesby, LOL
InGoodCo
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Statistically speaking - his frosh year was his most productive and not even close - He also got more playing time because of where things were for the Iowa program... tho I thought he played well in his small bench roll his senior season.
NikeHawk21
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Everyone always hated on Josh because of his struggles with his shot. He actually was a pretty good defender and a good passer for his position.
His freshman year he started a handful of games. He had two 20 point games in the B1G, one was in the tournament. Averaged 6.4PPG in 17 minutes, I'd consider that contributing.
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DBQHAWK85
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I don't think Fran is real big on true Threes... he prefers to play a 5 ..4.. 4..2..1 or a 4.. 4.. 4.. 2.. 1
Hopefully Garza can get up to speed and we can look at a
5 garza
4 cook
3 baer or Nunge from his tapes or if Kreiner improves...
2 moss
1 JoBo Lineup.
DBQHAWK85
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You're absolutely right... Jarrod Uthoff was a blessing and everyone I hear is comparing those two...
DBQHAWK85
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We get Joe Weiskamp next year and if he is as good as he seems along with the legitimate chance at Joey Hauser what will fran do Next year....
NikeHawk21
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I think we are pretty much out of the Hauser sweepstakes considering we don't have a scholarship to offer him.
NikeHawk21
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I think it may have been you and I who already had this discussion, but IMO in no way is Kriener a 3. I think he was the tallest player on the team last year, and he's likely the slowest in terms of foot speed. Just because he can shoot doesn't mean he's a 3.
DBQHAWK85
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Context I guess... I agree with you none of those guys are a true three. But Fran will use them as a hybrid in the same way he used Uhl and Jarrod Uthoff even Aaron white in the past. I think a lot of people on this board get hung up on a traditional 1 thru 5 lineup. The problem is I don't think Fran gives a hoot about our opinions and he certainly isn't going to change his coaching philosophy to appease the fan base. He is going to pick the KIND of PG he wants not the kind everyone on here wants or thinks is best for Iowa. Same thing applies to threes fours and fives in my opinion. If the kid can hold the defense accountable in the areas a traditional three would I'm okay with it. I'm not one to nit pick Frans choices.... unless of course they are failing miserably. Gotta be a FAN!
DBQHAWK85
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We offically only had one scholly this year until frans announcement dale was leaving a day ago. We are taking Three kids this class. If there is mutual interest they will find a way to make it work for someone that good. At least I think so.
deanvogs
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If Bohannon progress along on D
If one of CW or Dailey can develop into a Fr. version of Moss
If Moss can progress along
Ellingson stays what he is, a role player
I think we can be ok at the PG/Wing spot. This is also considering Baer a 3 man (which he is). This is easily our biggest weakness, the guard spot. Losing Pete is really going to hurt our backcourt for a time. Here is who I think we start:
Jordan
Moss
Baer
Cook
Pemsl/Wagner/Garza
We are going to need to get 30 MPG from Jordan and 25-30 MPG from Moss and Baer. That leave 30-40 minutes for Ellingson/CW/Dailey to split up. I don't see Conor playing this year. If he does, it is a good sign, that means he is clearly better than Ellingson/CW or Dailey, as I think Fran wants to RS Connor.
What we do at the 2 post spots is anyones guess at this point. I have no clue how Fran plans on playing Pemsl, Cook, Wagner, Uhl, Kriener, Garza and Nunge.
That is just too many bodies for 2 spots. It is taking up too many scholarships. I don't see how any of them can play the wing, as none of them are quick enough laterally, and this team has to get better defensively if we want to see the improvement we all expect.
If one of CW or Dailey can develop into a Fr. version of Moss
If Moss can progress along
Ellingson stays what he is, a role player
I think we can be ok at the PG/Wing spot. This is also considering Baer a 3 man (which he is). This is easily our biggest weakness, the guard spot. Losing Pete is really going to hurt our backcourt for a time. Here is who I think we start:
Jordan
Moss
Baer
Cook
Pemsl/Wagner/Garza
We are going to need to get 30 MPG from Jordan and 25-30 MPG from Moss and Baer. That leave 30-40 minutes for Ellingson/CW/Dailey to split up. I don't see Conor playing this year. If he does, it is a good sign, that means he is clearly better than Ellingson/CW or Dailey, as I think Fran wants to RS Connor.
What we do at the 2 post spots is anyones guess at this point. I have no clue how Fran plans on playing Pemsl, Cook, Wagner, Uhl, Kriener, Garza and Nunge.
That is just too many bodies for 2 spots. It is taking up too many scholarships. I don't see how any of them can play the wing, as none of them are quick enough laterally, and this team has to get better defensively if we want to see the improvement we all expect.
deanvogs
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Uthoff and White played more the stretch 4 spot. We started and played Gesell, Clemmons, Jok, Uthoff and Woody a ton his Sr. year.
NikeHawk21
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I totally agree that Fran has played some guys who were more like 4s at the 3. (JU, White, Uhl). The problem is Kriener is more like a 5 then a 4 and isn't anywhere close to the foot speed as those guys.
To put it another way, I don't think there is a 5 man lineup that you could put out there in which Kriener would be considered the 3 IMO.
ibahawkeye
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Pretty good summary and pretty much how I feel. I don't think Pemsl will start. I think Wagner will likely keep the starting 5 spot. I think he brings good Defense and Energy. The starting lineup will have more scorers with Cook, JBo, Baer and Moss. We need somebody who can score of the bench and I think Pemsl or even Kriener can be that guy. I still think Kriener's ceiling is higher than Pemsl so I think he could over take some minutes but I do like Pemsl's attitude and toughness. I don't know what to expect for Garza. Maybe he will be better than both Pemsl and Kriener. That would be a great sign. Nunge is probably the recruit I'm most excited about. I'll be a little disappointed if he can't take Uhls minutes.
NikeHawk21
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That's why I put (Jr Yr) behind Uthoff, which is when White started at the 4 and JU at the 3. Interestingly enough the year before Basabe started at the 4 and White at the 3.
White struggled at the 3 because he wasn't much of a 3pt threat. Both guys did better at the 4 spot but I think Jarrod would have excelled anywhere his SR year.
