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H8IAST8 said:
what impresses you enough to say NC State, Oklahoma, Colorado are safely in?
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Barring opening round losses in their respective conference tournaments they are all in. Even if some of them lose I don't feel confident that Iowa would "jump" them (for lack of a better term) in the picking order.
 
imported_Tmoney12 said:
everyone is saying it but f the resume. The goophers aren't a tourny team
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I don't disagree. I think we beat the goophs 8/10 times at a neutral site. But their resume is better than ours. You can't discount wins that happened at the beginning of the season, because they still happened. They also just beat Indiana.
 
herkyattack said:
Barring opening round losses in their respective conference tournaments they are all in. Even if some of them lose I don't feel confident that Iowa would "jump" them (for lack of a better term) in the picking order.
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The only teams not on this list can lose their opening round game and be safe. If NC State, Oklahoma and Colorado lose their first game not all will make it....
 
herkyattack said:
I don't disagree. I think we beat the goophs 8/10 times at a neutral site. But their resume is better than ours. You can't discount wins that happened at the beginning of the season, because they still happened. They also just beat Indiana.
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I'm STILL wondering how in the hell that happened...even "Penn State beating Michigan" is having a hard time digesting that one...
 
The difference IMO is the lack of marquee wins. Unfortunately I don't think a win over NW changes anything. We need to win two games possibly a third to make a true run at the tourny.
 
kicker22 said:
The difference IMO is the lack of marquee wins. Unfortunately I don't think a win over NW changes anything. We need to win two games possibly a third to make a true run at the tourny.
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4 RPI top 50 wins isnt enough?
 
I know people say conference standings don't matter but if Minnesota and Illinois both lose to Indiana, the committee would be looking at us differently.
 
H8IAST8 said:
4 RPI top 50 wins isnt enough?
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which of those is a marquee win? maybe wisconsin? but that's using the word "marquee" rather loosely. none of those teams were ranked when Iowa played them. I'd say some of those wins look a bit better as the year went on (ISU, wisky), but none of them jump off the page and make someone say "oh this is an impressive win right here".

and you can't have it both ways. you want to count minnesota and Illinois as resume builders by saying they're quality high RPI wins, but at the same time you want to say that they aren't really all that great and that they themselves don't have very good resumes and that Iowa should be in the tournament instead of them. which is it?

another thing you need to keep in mind. NCAA tournament selection isn't necessarily about fairness. it's about who the committee sees as "qualifying" and having a good chance at making a run. that gives teams that have shown they can knock off high seeds a leg up (IL and MN both beat #1). Iowa's low scoring boring brand of ball also won't do it any favors come selection time if they are in fact in contention at that point.
 
tanabs said:
which of those is a marquee win? maybe wisconsin? but that's using the word "marquee" rather loosely. none of those teams were ranked when Iowa played them. I'd say some of those wins look a bit better as the year went on (ISU, wisky), but none of them jump off the page and make someone say "oh this is an impressive win right here".

and you can't have it both ways. you want to count minnesota and Illinois as resume builders by saying they're quality high RPI wins, but at the same time you want to say that they aren't really all that great and that they themselves don't have very good resumes and that Iowa should be in the tournament instead of them. which is it?

another thing you need to keep in mind. NCAA tournament selection isn't necessarily about fairness. it's about who the committee sees as "qualifying" and having a good chance at making a run. that gives teams that have shown they can knock off high seeds a leg up (IL and MN both beat #1). Iowa's low scoring boring brand of ball also won't do it any favors come selection time if they are in fact in contention at that point.
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Id prefer to use wins over tournament teams rather than rpi top 50, but that is what committee uses. That being said, we have beaten at least 4 tournament teams, maybe more, pending Conference tournaments.

There are teams outside the RPI top 50 that will be tournament teams, and teams inside the top 50 that will be left out.
 
tanabs said:
which of those is a marquee win? maybe wisconsin? but that's using the word "marquee" rather loosely. none of those teams were ranked when Iowa played them. I'd say some of those wins look a bit better as the year went on (ISU, wisky), but none of them jump off the page and make someone say "oh this is an impressive win right here".

and you can't have it both ways. you want to count minnesota and Illinois as resume builders by saying they're quality high RPI wins, but at the same time you want to say that they aren't really all that great and that they themselves don't have very good resumes and that Iowa should be in the tournament instead of them. which is it?

another thing you need to keep in mind. NCAA tournament selection isn't necessarily about fairness. it's about who the committee sees as "qualifying" and having a good chance at making a run. that gives teams that have shown they can knock off high seeds a leg up (IL and MN both beat #1). Iowa's low scoring boring brand of ball also won't do it any favors come selection time if they are in fact in contention at that point.
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Careful there. Honest assessment and discussion isn't what this forum is about. Sorry about the red color. If I had time I'd photo shop but it does get the point across.
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Honest? When you make up **** like "Iowa is a low scoring basketball team" that's not honest.
 
tanabs said:
which of those is a marquee win? maybe wisconsin? but that's using the word "marquee" rather loosely. none of those teams were ranked when Iowa played them. I'd say some of those wins look a bit better as the year went on (ISU, wisky), but none of them jump off the page and make someone say "oh this is an impressive win right here".

and you can't have it both ways. you want to count minnesota and Illinois as resume builders by saying they're quality high RPI wins, but at the same time you want to say that they aren't really all that great and that they themselves don't have very good resumes and that Iowa should be in the tournament instead of them. which is it?

another thing you need to keep in mind. NCAA tournament selection isn't necessarily about fairness. it's about who the committee sees as "qualifying" and having a good chance at making a run. that gives teams that have shown they can knock off high seeds a leg up (IL and MN both beat #1). Iowa's low scoring boring brand of ball also won't do it any favors come selection time if they are in fact in contention at that point.
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It's all kool aid all of the time here now. Prepare to be attacked for this.
 
ILHawk, so you going to wait until Thursday to pay off our bet? I think you should take the week off now so you will be back in time for tournament (NIT/NCAA).
 
ssckelley said:
ILHawk, so you going to wait until Thursday to pay off our bet? I think you should take the week off now so you will be back in time for tournament (NIT/NCAA).
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I can't find the agreement. The results are in the term. Can us find it? It wasn't so simple as to say they are in or out. Honestly I tried to find it and haven't been able to do so.
 
H8IAST8 said:
Id prefer to use wins over tournament teams rather than rpi top 50, but that is what committee uses. That being said, we have beaten at least 4 tournament teams, maybe more, pending Conference tournaments.

There are teams outside the RPI top 50 that will be tournament teams, and teams inside the top 50 that will be left out.
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4 wins over low level tournament teams, non of which are even in the top 3 in their respected conferences. so that really downs change using RPI vs tournament bound.

FYI Iowa's record vs tournament teams (if you use lunardi's most resent bracketology) is: 4-8. all those wins were on home court
 
I knew you would back out of it. It was pretty simple 9-9 conference finish and 1 win in the BTT and Iowa is a bubble team. They are already a bubble team, there is no way Iowa winning on Thursday will take them off the bubble. You were the who suggested a week off the forum.
 
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