1 turnover, 0 points and 4 fouls from our starting PG

NikeHawk21 said:
Outside of his height, what makes him a wing?
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He's a below avg ball handler as a PG but adequate as a wing. He rebounds well. Which would be much more effective closer to the basket, than from the 1. He can get to the rim and finish. He also plays good enough defense that he would be a bigger asset with help defense at the 3.
When I evaluate players that could play different positions, it's all about comparing there strengths and weaknesses at each position. I firmly believe he has a lot more strengths than weaknesses at the 2/3 and more weaknesses than strengths at the 1. Then I apply that to the players they will most likely be facing at those spots
as a PG as a SF
Ball handling ------ slight weakness ------------------strength
Shooting ------------weakness -----------------weakness
defense -------------even ------------------------strength
passing --------------weakness -----------------strength
rebounding ----------even (he's further away at the 1) ---strength
basketball IQ ----------even --------------------even
 
with Dale Jones hurt again we only have one senior and two upperclassmen that will play meaningful minutes. Since the last time I checked we are not Kentucky where we get 5 one and dones every season I'm going to guess that the majority of our team needs to adjust to playing ball at this level. On top of that they need to adjust to playing with each other.

People that want to be critical of true freshmen play on message boards kinda need to get a life.
 
Bordone said:
with Dale Jones hurt again we only have one senior and two upperclassmen that will play meaningful minutes. Since the last time I checked we are not Kentucky where we get 5 one and dones every season I'm going to guess that the majority of our team needs to adjust to playing ball at this level. On top of that they need to adjust to playing with each other.

People that want to be critical of true freshmen play on message boards kinda need to get a life.
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Williams is a sophomore
 
What consistently has occurred...Iowa has and has had serviceable PG options...and does well with about 65% of the teams they play. However, when the competition ticks up...as with Virginia/Seton Hall et. al...Iowa is often rendered helpless without a functioning PG.

With the type of players that Fran tends to seek out...long, multi functioning....it sees the one thing this system lacks is some sort of elite/high grade PG to run the machine. Why the options we have had are so limited and so far below full functioning top level college talent levels remains, well, a mystery.
 
lightning1 said:
He's a below avg ball handler as a PG but adequate as a wing. He rebounds well. Which would be much more effective closer to the basket, than from the 1. He can get to the rim and finish. He also plays good enough defense that he would be a bigger asset with help defense at the 3.
When I evaluate players that could play different positions, it's all about comparing there strengths and weaknesses at each position. I firmly believe he has a lot more strengths than weaknesses at the 2/3 and more weaknesses than strengths at the 1. Then I apply that to the players they will most likely be facing at those spots
as a PG as a SF
Ball handling ------ slight weakness ------------------strength
Shooting ------------weakness -----------------weakness
defense -------------even ------------------------strength
passing --------------weakness -----------------strength
rebounding ----------even (he's further away at the 1) ---strength
basketball IQ ----------even --------------------even
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Quality post. If you are going to talk about skills needed for a certain postition, I think his lack of scoring is more of a weakness as a wing. PGs that can't score are okay if they can handle the ball, get others involved, and play defense. Wings should be able to score.

Anyways on this particular team our "wings" are Jok and Baer, who are our most steady players. Both guys should be 30+ minute players in my mind.

Right now CW is our best option at PG and as I said I'm not giving up on him yet. Clearly we should have gotten at least another option for the position, maybe even a transfer, but we didn't. I'm not going to sit around and beat my head against a wall. I'm going to watch this team and see what they can do.
 
Wow. Just getting into the season with many new faces after 4 starters left and people are down on this young team already. I don't expect a great year. I 'm looking at some surprise wins and head scratcher losses.
 
Locker67 said:
Wow. Just getting into the season with many new faces after 4 starters left and people are down on this young team already. I don't expect a great year. I 'm looking at some surprise wins and head scratcher losses.
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Hard to win games in college basketball without a PG
 
Williams only had one turnover... Cook had 4, uhl had 5, and bohannon had 3...

Williams didn't do much to win the game... but there were a lot more people who did plenty to lose the game.

Complaining about the wrong guy from last night...
 
Truthfully, anyone that wasn't expecting issues with a young team had their head in the sand... it's baffling how people think they can judge a player by watching players with limited experience and 5 games into a season. Wisconsin looked pretty bad at this point last year... just saying. Nobody thought Jok would be the player he is today after his first season let alone after his first 5 games.

I personally think this was a game that Fran needed to teach this young team about the importance of defense before B1G play... up until last night they've had a chance or won games by out scoring teams with minimal D. Last night they found out what a good D can do to a team. Lesson taught but whether it was learned will be the real discussion point about this team.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
Quality post. If you are going to talk about skills needed for a certain postition, I think his lack of scoring is more of a weakness as a wing. PGs that can't score are okay if they can handle the ball, get others involved, and play defense. Wings should be able to score.

Anyways on this particular team our "wings" are Jok and Baer, who are our most steady players. Both guys should be 30+ minute players in my mind.

Right now CW is our best option at PG and as I said I'm not giving up on him yet. Clearly we should have gotten at least another option for the position, maybe even a transfer, but we didn't. I'm not going to sit around and beat my head against a wall. I'm going to watch this team and see what they can do.
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CW could probably avg 10 PPG and 5 RPG at the 3. He's not a good shooter but he can attack the rim off the bounce and get put backs on offensive rebounds. He might be our best option at PG but that is an unacceptable failure on Fran's part. And that's what I have been saying since May.
 
lightning1 said:
CW could probably avg 10 PPG and 5 RPG at the 3. He's not a good shooter but he can attack the rim off the bounce and get put backs on offensive rebounds. He might be our best option at PG but that is an unacceptable failure on Fran's part. And that's what I have been saying since May.
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Did you forget Fran managed to land the reigning Mr. Basketball player of Iowa?
 
Don't take this thread the wrong way. I understand it's a young team that will grow and get better. It's a long running dialog on what we do and don't have for the PG position. I am forced to use CW and JB as examples to make my point. It's not meant as a slight to these players or their overall abilities. I know they are young and of course they will get better. My issue is these 2 playing the PG position.
 
lightning1 said:
CW could probably avg 10 PPG and 5 RPG at the 3. He's not a good shooter but he can attack the rim off the bounce and get put backs on offensive rebounds. He might be our best option at PG but that is an unacceptable failure on Fran's part. And that's what I have been saying since May.
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I haven't seen anything that would show me that CW could average 10ppg. And if he could at wing, I think he could average 7-8 at PG. He is lacking confidence right now IMO.
 
How could Williams possibly score more from a different position? If he can slash to the basket as a wing, why can't he slash to the basket as a point guard? In Frans system, there is not much difference in the positions to say one player would be better off at another one. When Marble switched back and forth between PG and wing, his game stayed virtually the same. I would wager there was almost a non existent scoring dip when he moved to PG.
 
Also there is so much mental aspect to getting used to playing in front of big crowds and on tv. Let alone playing the speed of the game. Both CW and JB look like they have the physical ability If that's the case, once they get comfortable (especially JB) they might improve quickly. JB got a lot of shots up against the number 1 defense in the nation last night because he has an extremely quick release. That is a good sign for the future if you want to focus on positives, which I understand 2 guys here don't .
 
I think most on here understood that we were going to have trouble at pg, but chose to be in denial. #Hope

That being said, I do think it's possible for a senior CW to be near what RDM was as a point guard. Again, not what we need, however. Fran needs to actually land a stud pg soon as well as figuring out defense.
 
PCHawk said:
How could Williams possibly score more from a different position? If he can slash to the basket as a wing, why can't he slash to the basket as a point guard? In Frans system, there is not much difference in the positions to say one player would be better off at another one. When Marble switched back and forth between PG and wing, his game stayed virtually the same. I would wager there was almost a non existent scoring dip when he moved to PG.
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You're hopeless.
 
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