1 turnover, 0 points and 4 fouls from our starting PG

We were really good for most of the year with average pg play last year but it's impossible to be average with bad pg play? How good the rest of the team is is completely irrelevant? Blanket statements normally aren't a good idea.
 
We were really good for most of the year with average pg play last year but it's impossible to be average with bad pg play? How good the rest of the team is is completely irrelevant? Blanket statements normally aren't a good idea.

If our PG's were average last year than this year words can't describe how bad it is. Mike and Sapp were not only much better offensively than Bohannon and CW they were SO much better defensively.
 
If our PG's were average last year than this year words can't describe how bad it is. Mike and Sapp were not only much better offensively than Bohannon and CW they were SO much better defensively.

Mike was better offensively. What games were you watching last year? Mike had no offense. Defensively, yes. Mike also was a senior with 4 years of college experience. Bohannon was 6 games of college experience. Pretty big span between the two. As a PG, Bohannon can bring the ball up the against the press. That's what we need. His offense, defense and turnovers will improve with experience.
 
Mike was better offensively. What games were you watching last year? Mike had no offense. Defensively, yes. Mike also was a senior with 4 years of college experience. Bohannon was 6 games of college experience. Pretty big span between the two. As a PG, Bohannon can bring the ball up the against the press. That's what we need. His offense, defense and turnovers will improve with experience.

Mike averaged 8.1 PPG last year. CW is averaging 2.2 PPG on 25% shooting from the floor and Bohannon is averaging 5.2 PPG on 24% shooting from the floor and we haven't even gotten to the meat of our schedule yet. Plus Mike had a much better Assist to Turnover ratio too so yes, Mike is much better offensively than both our PG's this year
 
Mike averaged 8.1 PPG last year. CW is averaging 2.2 PPG on 25% shooting from the floor and Bohannon is averaging 5.2 PPG on 24% shooting from the floor and we haven't even gotten to the meat of our schedule yet. Plus Mike had a much better Assist to Turnover ratio too so yes, Mike is much better offensively than both our PG's this year

When CW & Bohannon have 4 years of college experience, you will have a valid point.
 
Mike averaged 8.7 ppg as a freshman

I understand, you hate the PG's at iowa. I just think it's a little premature in their 1st year to determine them a lost cause (Yes, i know CW is a sophomore but this is his 1st year with quality min). They will get better.
 
I understand, you hate the PG's at iowa. I just think it's a little premature in their 1st year to determine them a lost cause (Yes, i know CW is a sophomore but this is his 1st year with quality min). They will get better.

Your right, this is CW's second year in the program but he didn't get PG minutes last year because Mike and Sapp were a lot better than him
 
I wonder what JB's points per minute are compared to Mike. And as far as meat of the schedule goes, it's been pretty darn good so far.
 
I don't want to sound fatalistic...but as far as the potential to transform into an above average PG, or better...I have seen no glimpse of this whatsoever in either PG option...the jump is too big...blue color, no other option...options...

Neither seem to have that "it" needed athletically to be the guy at PG...that is needed for Iowa to jump into a national contender conversation...

It is quite sad...
 
I understand, you hate the PG's at iowa. I just think it's a little premature in their 1st year to determine them a lost cause (Yes, i know CW is a sophomore but this is his 1st year with quality min). They will get better.
You went from wanting to compare apples to apples to calling him a hater in the space of his 1 honest response. That's lame.
 
Point guard is to Fran, as wide receiver is to Kirk

The problem with that logic is there are explainable reasons why Kirk can't recruit receivers. He doesn't run an offense that appeals to good receivers and even when he gets them, they don't appear great because he doesn't use them.

With Fran, it's a simple matter of he hasn't been here a long time (as in too long to make it a definite trend) and the one good pg recruit he did get didn't pan out to be great.

People act like it's unlikely he has the ability to land one just because he's only landed one in 4 years and that one didn't pan out. He very clearly knows how to identify good ones (no one can argue that) and he runs the right offense to attract them, so I'm pretty sure nothing crazy is going on here. It's probably the equivalent of asssuming something is wrong with a coin if it comes up heads 4 straight times. It's really not that big of a deal.
 
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The problem with that logic is there are explainable reasons why Kirk can't recruit receivers. He doesn't run an offense that appeals to good receivers and even when he gets them, they don't appear great because he doesn't use them.

With Fran, it's a simple matter of he hasn't been here a long time (as in too long to make it a definite trend) and the one good pg recruit he did get didn't pan out to be great.

People act like it's unlikely he has the ability to land one just because he's only landed one in 4 years and that one didn't pan out. He very clearly knows how to identify good ones (no one can argue that) and he runs the right offense to attract them, so I'm pretty sure nothing crazy is going on here. It's probably the equivalent of asssuming something is wrong with a coin if it comes up heads 4 straight times. It's really not that big of a deal.

Then why didn't he land a good PG in the 2016 class when he literally couldn't have had a better situation to sell?
 
Is anyone else having trouble typing posts? Mine takes forever to type one word and if I go too fast, it autocorrects to stupid words that aren't even words.
 
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