ITT....help me make up my mind about KF

1hawkeye1

1hawkeye1

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I'm a loyalty guy. Heck, I wanted to give Lick another year and we all know how big a disaster that would've been. So I don't really trust my judgement when it comes to this kinda thing. So, in this thread, (ITT) convince me of your point of view.
Either, KF needs to go, or, KF deserves our support so I can make up my own mind. Go!
 
Well with Lick, it was 3 horrible seasons and it was pretty obvious the wheels were coming off. More players were threatening to leave after year 3, so year 4 would've been another "start over from square 1 season". Lick officially had (and guess still does) the worst the winning percentage of any Men's Hoops coach in program history. To me, it was obvious that Barta had to pull the plug before things got even worse.

With Ferentz, if this season turns out like it looks like it's going to, that will be just ONE losing season (not counting his first two seasons before he'd built the program). Things seem to be trending downwards, though. Best case, "stale" seems to be an appropriate word, and some may have a point that the game has passed him by and KF is unwilling (or unable) to adapt. But after one losing season, I don't think it's time to pull the plug quite yet, like it was with the Lick situation.

But unless this year turns around in a hurry, then I think the temperature really needs to start going up on KF's seat. The results of the past 2+ seasons (including this one) are unacceptable IMO. Too bad Barta has pretty much given KF a lifetime contract. Yeah I know it's through 2020, but close enough to a lifetime!

Just my 2 cents.
 
You know where I stand. Claiming any trend beyond three years with KF is ridiculous. And 2010 was not a bad year historically for Iowa.
 
The cold reality is it would take a planetary shift for a coaching change to take place. Kirk is firmly entrenched in IC.
 
1hawkeye1 said:
I'm a loyalty guy. Heck, I wanted to give Lick another year and we all know how big a disaster that would've been. So I don't really trust my judgement when it comes to this kinda thing. So, in this thread, (ITT) convince me of your point of view.
Either, KF needs to go, or, KF deserves our support so I can make up my own mind. Go!
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I smell a trap, but I'm dumb enough to play along. I still hold my position that I have held for three years now. In fact when I share my opinion on HN i get nailed for it. First off KF will be the coach, because UofI will not payout 20+ mil to get rid of him. I also don't think the majority of this last loss you can blame on the coaches.

Here are my thoughts on why KF should have been done by now.
1) I don't think KF should be the Head Coach. His record is unimpressive for the money he earns.
2) I always hear how hard it is to recruit and win at Iowa. I am so feed up with that excuse, and that is all it is an excuse for losing. Also looks like there are three coaches in this state getting it done, and not using it as an excuse.
3) How are you rebuilding after what is it 12 years?
4) "KF is a great guy and has a lot of integrity." I call BS on these comments if he had integrity he would give money back to the UofI when his teams under perform.
5) One of the greatest play calls in KFs time as coach "the Catch" from my understanding he didn't make the call. I believe this because that play is out of the norm of what KF does.
6) When KF speaks he just sounds like hes making excuses. How are our players suppose to have confidence when their leader seems to lack it.
7) Iowa fans have been told they are unrealistic. What fans shouldn't hope that some day their team could win a national championship? Really? Why even cheer them on? Why put so much money into football when it is needed in other places in society? I don't watch sports at any level with "I really hope my teams break even this year! Yeah mediocrity!!!!"

The posters on HN that do not support the coaching decisions have stuck by those opinions in the down and up years. I have more respect for them then I do the ones pouring out the glass of Kool-Aid.
 
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OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Minnesota
Northwestern
ISU
Indiana
Illinois
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This is a pretty strong argument.

imported_blkngldFRO said:
I smell a trap, but I'm dumb enough to play along. I still hold my position that I have held for three years now. In fact when I share my opinion on HN i get nailed for it. First off KF will be the coach, because UofI will not payout 20+ mil to get rid of him. I also don't think the majority of this last loss you can blame on the coaches.

Here are my thoughts on why KF should have been done by now.
1) I don't think KF should be the Head Coach. His record is unimpressive for the money he earns.
2) I always hear how hard it is to recruit and win at Iowa. I am so feed up with that excuse, and that is all it is an excuse for losing. Also looks like there are three coaches in this state getting it done, and not using it as an excuse.
3) How are you rebuilding after what is it 12 years?
4) "KF is a great guy and has a lot of integrity." I call BS on these comments if he had integrity he would give money back to the UofI when his teams under perform.

The posters on HN that do not support the coaching decisions have stuck by those opinions in the down and up years. I have more respect for them then I do the ones pouring out the glass of Kool-Aid.
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No traps here. I seriously want to hear people's positions. When I read negative posts about KF, I say to myself. Yeah that's right.
Then I read one in support of him, and I think yeah, he's done good here and deserves our support.

I'm tired of waffling back and forth.
 
1hawkeye1 said:
This is a pretty strong argument.



No traps here. I seriously want to hear people's positions. When I read negative posts about KF, I say to myself. Yeah that's right.
Then I read one in support of him, and I think yeah, he's done good here and deserves our support.

I'm tired of waffling back and forth.
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Look no matter what I give the hawkeyes my support. I will not boo when I go to games, and still buy hawkeye stuff every year.

At the water cooler, and this site, I will state that I do not like the current football coach. I want to know why people think he should be the Iowa coach.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Minnesota
Northwestern
ISU
Indiana
Illinois
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Take these losses off the board, or at least a much better record against those opponents, and I would be far happier right now with the job KF has been doing. I've said before, that those types of losses are the difference between Iowa going 9-3, and 7-5. So yeah, for me, I guess it really does come down to losing these types of games that really has me steamed.
 
FRO has perfectly stated a position that I share. I therefore have nothing to add.
 
imported_blkngldFRO said:
I smell a trap, but I'm dumb enough to play along. I still hold my position that I have held for three years now. In fact when I share my opinion on HN i get nailed for it. First off KF will be the coach, because UofI will not payout 20+ mil to get rid of him. I also don't think the majority of this last loss you can blame on the coaches.

Here are my thoughts on why KF should have been done by now.
1) I don't think KF should be the Head Coach. His record is unimpressive for the money he earns.
2) I always hear how hard it is to recruit and win at Iowa. I am so feed up with that excuse, and that is all it is an excuse for losing. Also looks like there are three coaches in this state getting it done, and not using it as an excuse.
3) How are you rebuilding after what is it 12 years?
4) "KF is a great guy and has a lot of integrity." I call BS on these comments if he had integrity he would give money back to the UofI when his teams under perform.
5) One of the greatest play calls in KFs time as coach "the Catch" from my understanding he didn't make the call. I believe this because that play is out of the norm of what KF does.
6) When KF speaks he just sounds like hes making excuses. How are our players suppose to have confidence when their leader seems to lack it.

The posters on HN that do not support the coaching decisions have stuck by those opinions in the down and up years. I have more respect for them then I do the ones pouring out the glass of Kool-Aid.
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Stop with this. Who do you know gives back their salary for underperforming? Are you at work while you post? If so, do you give back some of your salary for wasting company time while being on the internet? Of course not, you probably still get your work done, it might not be top notch, but you did the work. You just won't get incentives, bonuses, a raise or an extension. See how that works.

Didn't know KF calls his own plays. He may dictate scheme, but he doesn't call plays. KF is honest about his team, he just doesn't give the media and fans things to use against him and his team. Quit trying to make KF something that he has never been or will be. We all knew it was going to be a rough year and should have been prepared for it, but some people just overreact.
 
The money thing is an issue and many in the media down play it all the time.

College coaches cash in

Per that data, based on total income, KF is the 4th highest paid coaches in college football. Everyone above him has won national championships. Your telling me, that much like JVB, KF is our best option?
 
IowaFan81 said:
Stop with this. Who do you know gives back their salary for underperforming? Are you at work while you post? If so, do you give back some of your salary for wasting company time while being on the internet? Of course not, you probably still get your work done, it might not be top notch, but you did the work. You just won't get incentives, bonuses, a raise or an extension. See how that works.

Didn't know KF calls his own plays. He may dictate scheme, but he doesn't call plays. KF is honest about his team, he just doesn't give the media and fans things to use against him and his team. Quit trying to make KF something that he has never been or will be. We all knew it was going to be a rough year and should have been prepared for it, but some people just overreact.
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Ok I will edit that. He should retire or be fired for under performing. Unfortunately these coaches have ridiculous contracts that favor them. Compering the average job to his is not a good compression. How many people do you know that have contracts for their jobs?
 
IowaFan81 said:
Who is a better option? That would come to Iowa.
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you don't know until you start looking. Which won't happen and that is why all these arguments are a waste of time. What I really don't want to see happen is Iowa has one more really good year and we throw another half mil at KF.
 
Don't worry that won't happen. He won't get another extension until the current is almost up and is deserving.
 
IowaFan81 said:
Who is a better option? That would come to Iowa.
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I'm guessing you're response would be that NO good coach would come to Iowa, so I won't bother listing names. But it sounds like you're suggesting we stick with KF, through thick and thin, no matter how bad it gets?

I'm pretty sure any number of coaches could post 7-5 records here. Or do better than 2-2 against N. Illinois, ISU, UNI, and CMU. Especially when 3 of those games are at home.
 
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