Write it down...

[hawkdrummer1]

Think whatever you want. Does not matter to me.

I'm confused. I think we agree that KFz leaves on his terms...Beth is not going to "fire" him. Right?

You suggest that Beth (and ancillary players) have someone on their radar. So KFz must be in the know right? If "the guy" says Yes... they're not going to blind side KFz and say "Hey, we found a guy we would like to take over. You wanna step down?"

KFz has to be in the loop in your scenario.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

I'm confused. I think we agree that KFz leaves on his terms...Beth is not going to "fire" him. Right?

You suggest that Beth (and ancillary players) have someone on their radar. So KFz must be in the know right? If "the guy" says Yes... they're not going to blind side KFz and say "Hey, we found a guy we would like to take over. You wanna step down?"

KFz has to be in the loop in your scenario.

That’s not what Fryowa is saying. He is saying this is a decision independent of Kirk. There is a specific mystery candidate. Fryowa’s best guess, based on his intel from multiple sources, is that it’s 90% plus odds that this mystery candidate will be coaching Iowa next season. He won’t tell us who, but he knows the identity.

 

[Hawkboys]

 

[MelroseHawkins]

So theoretically Kirk would be back if they can't land this person?

I didn't know Steve Alford coached football. Who knew??

 

[MelroseHawkins]

That’s not what Fryowa is saying. He is saying this is a decision independent of Kirk. There is a specific mystery candidate. Fryowa’s best guess, based on his intel from multiple sources, is that it’s 90% plus odds that this mystery candidate will be coaching Iowa next season. He won’t tell us who, but he knows the identity.

Urban Meyer. He's always respected KF and Iowa and he knows Iowa has a loooooong leash for coaches. Less stress.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Some people won't appreciate the job Ferentz has done until after he's gone. I hope whoever does follow Ferentz can find a way to keep Iowa competitive, a few bad moves and Iowa could quickly go back to being an after thought like it was before Fry got here.

Iowa is closer to Purdue than they are to Ohio St.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

 

[Fryowa]

I'm confused. I think we agree that KFz leaves on his terms...Beth is not going to "fire" him. Right?

False.

First, Goetz isn’t going to do anything without donor support and approval. Period. If you think she’s the power behind this then I don’t know what to tell you.

And if the major donor base wants KF out because they found someone else, it’s going to happen.

What’s different about Goetz vs Barta is she is much more popular with those major donors than Barta. Not even in the same solar system.

They have a person in mind and they’re pursuing it, and if this person and the athletic department agree on things, KF is out whether he chooses to retire or gets “asked.” I’ll give you a pass for refusing to believe that KF would ever be nudged out because I thought the same thing prior to now.

The people I heard this information from are involved in it. I’m also not the only one who knows about it, not by a long shot. There’s even been talk about it on the On3 boss that used to be HawkeyeReport. That site has lots of people way more in the know than me.

Again, believe it or don’t. We’re going around in circles here. If you think I’m full of it no skin off my back at all.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

False.

First, Goetz isn’t going to do anything without donor support and approval. Period. If you think she’s the power behind this then I don’t know what to tell you.

And if the major donor base wants KF out because they found someone else, it’s going to happen.

What’s different about Goetz vs Barta is she is much more popular with those major donors than Barta. Not even in the same solar system.

They have a person in mind and they’re pursuing it, and if this person and the athletic department agree on things, KF is out whether he chooses to retire or gets “asked.” I’ll give you a pass for refusing to believe that KF would ever be nudged out because I thought the same thing prior to now.

The people I heard this information from are involved in it. I’m also not the only one who knows about it, not by a long shot. There’s even been talk about it on the On3 boss that used to be HawkeyeReport. That site has lots of people way more in the know than me.

Again, believe it or don’t. We’re going around in circles here. If you think I’m full of it no skin off my back at all.

Relax, man. I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from. You're the one who brought this up, expect questions.

Interesting that the donors are making this happen, we've been told for years that the big money donors love KFz and that's why he was untouchable. Was that all B.S. or have things shifted recently?

 

[HawkeyeHypnosis]

Iowa is closer to Purdue than they are to Ohio St.

I hope this was sarcastic

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

False.

First, Goetz isn’t going to do anything without donor support and approval. Period. If you think she’s the power behind this then I don’t know what to tell you.

And if the major donor base wants KF out because they found someone else, it’s going to happen.

What’s different about Goetz vs Barta is she is much more popular with those major donors than Barta. Not even in the same solar system.

They have a person in mind and they’re pursuing it, and if this person and the athletic department agree on things, KF is out whether he chooses to retire or gets “asked.” I’ll give you a pass for refusing to believe that KF would ever be nudged out because I thought the same thing prior to now.

The people I heard this information from are involved in it. I’m also not the only one who knows about it, not by a long shot. There’s even been talk about it on the On3 boss that used to be HawkeyeReport. That site has lots of people way more in the know than me.

Again, believe it or don’t. We’re going around in circles here. If you think I’m full of it no skin off my back at all.

I smell what you are stepping in. I'd think Iowa would have to be prepared to pay the $25M though, unless there are details we aren't privy too. We have any skepticism about that?

 

[NorthKCHawk]

If what is happening is as Fry is reporting, there is no way this does not get back to KF. It would already be in KF's knowledge. I mean, if some nobody like Fry is reporting this on a message board, you don't think that KF's agent or others in his orbit would not tell him about it? And whatever details Fry knows, I am confident KF knows more. This type of thing involves too many people and is already out. IF IT IS TRUE.

So how does this work? KF goes about his business, Beth strikes out going after this whale. Then what? "Kirk, we'd love for you to coach our team again next year." "Um, go F yourself."

This is not the way the real world works. If Beth and Fry's dark mystery boosters are actively pursuing a replacement for KF, then KF is already done for next year. He is not some 36 year old interim coach that finished off the season well and can be kept on the hook like this. He is a legend. There is no dipping your toe into the water for replacing a KF. You either pull the trigger like you did with Fran, or you bring him back.

If they are shopping for a new coach, KF knows that and has already been told he is done or has already told Beth he is done. So, if any part of Fry's rumor is true, KF is, in fact, done.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

If what is happening is as Fry is reporting, there is no way this does not get back to KF. It would already be in KF's knowledge. I mean, if some nobody like Fry is reporting this on a message board, you don't think that KF's agent or others in his orbit would not tell him about it? And whatever details Fry knows, I am confident KF knows more. This type of thing involves too many people and is already out. IF IT IS TRUE.

So how does this work? KF goes about his business, Beth strikes out going after this whale. Then what? "Kirk, we'd love for you to coach our team again next year." "Um, go F yourself."

This is not the way the real world works. If Beth and Fry's dark mystery boosters are actively pursuing a replacement for KF, then KF is already done for next year. He is not some 36 year old interim coach that finished off the season well and can be kept on the hook like this. He is a legend. There is no dipping your toe into the water for replacing a KF. You either pull the trigger like you did with Fran, or you bring him back.

If they are shopping for a new coach, KF knows that and has already been told he is done or has already told Beth he is done. So, if any part of Fry's rumor is true, KF is, in fact, done.

KFz got emotional and choked up again...after Saturday's win. Beating MSU at home isn't exactly a game-changer. Was it Senior day or is it showing that he knows his run is coming to a close?

 

[NorthKCHawk]

KFz got emotional and choked up again...after Saturday's win. Beating MSU at home isn't exactly a game-changer. Was it Senior day or is it showing that he knows his run is coming to a close?

I had the same thought. That said, KF fucking cries after just about every game.

Fry has been on this Board long enough that I don't believe he is just making this shit up. He doesn't generally claim to be an insider or have a lot of insider information. So, I tend to lean towards believing his information. If so, KF is gone.

Beth had no compunction getting rid of Fran. Its not the exact circumstance, but there were good basketball reasons to give Fran another season. A good AD knows it is better to change coaches a year too early than a year too late. Everything has its season....

 

[hawkdrummer1]

I had the same thought. That said, KF fucking cries after just about every game.

Fry has been on this Board long enough that I don't believe he is just making this shit up. He doesn't generally claim to be an insider or have a lot of insider information. So, I tend to lean towards believing his information. If so, KF is gone.

Beth had no compunction getting rid of Fran. Its not the exact circumstance, but there were good basketball reasons to give Fran another season. A good AD knows it is better to change coaches a year too early than a year too late. Everything has its season....

Yep.

There really can't be a mid-point on this. If a new HC is being pursued aggressively, KFz knows and he is done. As you said above, they can't come up short and say "Kirk, you mind staying one more year?". It would eventually get out and not look good.

The name is bound to leak out at some point.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

If what is happening is as Fry is reporting, there is no way this does not get back to KF. It would already be in KF's knowledge. I mean, if some nobody like Fry is reporting this on a message board, you don't think that KF's agent or others in his orbit would not tell him about it? And whatever details Fry knows, I am confident KF knows more. This type of thing involves too many people and is already out. IF IT IS TRUE.

So how does this work? KF goes about his business, Beth strikes out going after this whale. Then what? "Kirk, we'd love for you to coach our team again next year." "Um, go F yourself."

This is not the way the real world works. If Beth and Fry's dark mystery boosters are actively pursuing a replacement for KF, then KF is already done for next year. He is not some 36 year old interim coach that finished off the season well and can be kept on the hook like this. He is a legend. There is no dipping your toe into the water for replacing a KF. You either pull the trigger like you did with Fran, or you bring him back.

If they are shopping for a new coach, KF knows that and has already been told he is done or has already told Beth he is done. So, if any part of Fry's rumor is true, KF is, in fact, done.

I pretty much agree with your entire take. The issue is there is still a lot of money to be used as leverage. Maybe Kirk and Cornrich say he is excited to coach for years to come. So if Iowa is going in another direction we'll need that $25M.

At the same time, and to your point, if Beth and company strike out on this mystery candidate, they better have a back-up plan in place. Kirk may decide he loves coaching too much to quit, and is so loyal to his assistants, that he is ok running it back despite the attempted coup. Or January 2 may roll around and he tells Beth he's out, and wishes her good luck with her late start in a bad year to be shopping for coaches. Or even worse, maybe he bides his time and then resigns in June, leaving the assistants to run the show and get some more exposure.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

If what is happening is as Fry is reporting, there is no way this does not get back to KF. It would already be in KF's knowledge. I mean, if some nobody like Fry is reporting this on a message board, you don't think that KF's agent or others in his orbit would not tell him about it? And whatever details Fry knows, I am confident KF knows more. This type of thing involves too many people and is already out. IF IT IS TRUE.

So how does this work? KF goes about his business, Beth strikes out going after this whale. Then what? "Kirk, we'd love for you to coach our team again next year." "Um, go F yourself."

This is not the way the real world works. If Beth and Fry's dark mystery boosters are actively pursuing a replacement for KF, then KF is already done for next year. He is not some 36 year old interim coach that finished off the season well and can be kept on the hook like this. He is a legend. There is no dipping your toe into the water for replacing a KF. You either pull the trigger like you did with Fran, or you bring him back.

If they are shopping for a new coach, KF knows that and has already been told he is done or has already told Beth he is done. So, if any part of Fry's rumor is true, KF is, in fact, done.

Bottom line I agree with this. There's no dipping your toe in the water and pulling it back. Something like this you're jumping in head first.

I just don't know enough about the big boosters that are all involved to understand however much pull they have on the decision making with Beth. Is it 1 monster booster? Are we talking about a small handful of em that all think the same? If there's a coup being started to the extent peons on message boards are aware then KFs camp are all in the loop.

I personally don't think that it'll happen. I'll be surprised if indeed KF is forced out cause the big $ has his replacement already targeted. Time will tell if it's the case we'll find out pretty soon. I can't imagine that'd drag on past the Neb game very long at all. These decisions are all made long before the bowl games now.

 

[HawkPowerlifter]

I think when you speak to KF's legacy/culture, he would want very badly for a continuation what he has worked so hard to build and what Hawkeye football is known for. I'm sure there has been conversations with Beth and him about this and a possible successor.

The question I wonder about has KF made it known he would like to retire, but only if the right person is a candidate. I imagine that was a completely different convo where Goetz has a different optic on what or how she wants to approach the search, and who KF would like.

I am assuming somewhere in between maybe they came to an agreement where he will go and hopefully have some input but not the final say in the candidate.

Regardless, it will be a sad day to see KF go. Nothing lasts forever. My hope it is someone who will have similar philosophies, and continue what he has worked so hard to build.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

If you are happily married, you don't say, "hey, if I can get with the really hot, young gal at the office, I would leave my wife. If not, I will just stay with my wife." You already have a wandering eye. It will keep wandering. The marriage is over.