Major B1G Upset Opens Door for Iowa

[HuckFinn]

Yep.

Just accept it for what it is, and learn to take the frickin games as standalone, independent events for god's sake. Yeah I'd love to have beat ISU and Indiana, and I spent an entire weekend and $500 watching them lose. But here's the thing...we were NEVER going to win the conference or make the CFP anyway. Bring on Wisconsin and take it as a singular contest...which it is. Neither of these teams are going do dick in the post season anyway except fight to see who makes the Ron's A1 Muffler Bowl vs the American Chip Clip Manufacturer's Association Bowl.

Who gives a shit? And why?

I have pretty much landed on that flight deck. I still like bowl games simply because I can watch another Hawkeye game. And, the coaches like it for prep time, and the kids will enjoy any additions to the regular season. I don’t care if guys opt out. I ‘ll get a look at next year’s guys. If a game is meaningless to fans, I absolutely don’t care. I will take it as a Christmas gift.

 

[BigD]

I would counter that if there's a chance...how much money would you honestly risk on a bet for Iowa to win?

$0.50?

$50.00?

$500.00?

I have pretty much landed on that flight deck. I still like bowl games simply because I can watch another Hawkeye game. And, the coaches like it for prep time, and the kids will enjoy any additions to the regular season. I don’t care if guys opt out. I ‘ll get a look at next year’s guys. If a game is meaningless to fans, I absolutely don’t care. I will take it as a Christmas gift.

Anyone who thinks the Hawkeyes have a non zero chance at making the CFP is a complete idiot. Like Velcro shoes idiot.

How do people even spend time reading this crap?

I don't know, why do fans want to keep a coach who hasn't has only managed to tie for a Big Ten title going on over 22 years ago?

In my opinion Iowa has pretty much been head and shoulders above Indiana's football program since Hayden Fry came on board. Hell, Indiana could have kept their last head coach around for ever and made up rationalizations for doing so........... "Um were just not good enough so might as well just keep the guy around like Iowa does."

To be fair Indian's schedule last season played a big part, and I really expect the ground to open up and eventually swallow them soon enough, BUT.......... at least they were in the discussion longer that two games into the season.

Kirk has been a respectable coach and maintained Iowa as a respectable program. No one can say that's not true. Unfortunately, fans should at least be able to HOPE to play in a playoff. I Did say HOPE............. not EXPECT to. Got to be realistic. Moving forward that hope will not happen every time Kirk returns to start a new season.

Time to stand up and clap and give Kirk his accolades. Good job coach and thank you, however time for a new sheriff or captain to be in town. Kirk get's to ride his horse into the sunset with well over 100 million dollars in his saddle bags. He might want to stop by each of the Parker home's front porch and leave a chunk of it on their porches for their posterity to enjoy.

 

[BigD]

As far as the rest of this season............... well this sums that up.

Dumb & Dumber - "So you're telling me there's a chance"

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[Fryowa]

Kirk has been a respectable coach and maintained Iowa as a respectable program. No one can say that's not true. Unfortunately, fans should at least be able to HOPE to play in a playoff. I Did say HOPE............. not EXPECT to. Got to be realistic.

Wrong. Very wrong.

I can shit in my hand and hope it turns into a cheeseburger. That doesn’t mean there’s a chance of it happening, and if I do start hoping I get a cheeseburger all it’s going to lead to is misery and disappointment. The way the conferences and CFP are structured it’s like hoping I win the lottery. If the CFP and conference titles are what you hope for you may as well just switch teams, pal.

I just enjoy watching college football now with no stress and I feel sorry for fans who can’t do that. Because fans who can’t do that don’t are completely disconnected from reality.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

False. A tie is not a win. It's a tie. If you win something it means you were better than someone else. If you tie someone it means you were exactly the same. No one wins.

Hence why they have 3 separate words...

Win, lose, tie.

If a tie was the same as a win they wouldn't have a separate word for it. Claiming ties as wins is a half notch above a participation trophy.

So nobody won the conference those years? B.S.

 

[Fryowa]

So nobody won the conference those years? B.S.

Correct. Nobody won the conference. Two teams tied for the conference lead. A win in that situation would require the two or more teams in question to play each other until a winner is established.

Since that didn't happen, there was a tie.

Were the Packers and Cowboys both winners the other day or both losers?

Or did they tie?

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

Wrong. Very wrong.

I can shit in my hand and hope it turns into a cheeseburger. That doesn’t mean there’s a chance of it happening, and if I do start hoping I get a cheeseburger all it’s going to lead to is misery and disappointment. The way the conferences and CFP are structured it’s like hoping I win the lottery. If the CFP and conference titles are what you hope for you may as well just switch teams, pal.

I just enjoy watching college football now with no stress and I feel sorry for fans who can’t do that. Because fans who can’t do that don’t are completely disconnected from reality.

I don't know. To me, hope is the fun part of sports. I never hoped for a national title in football for Iowa. And after the Big Ten went away from divisions and expanded, I didn't think it was worth hoping for a Big Ten title either.

For me, part of the fun now is "staying alive" to eventually be in the playoff conversation by avoiding that third loss as long as possible. The season isn't over once they hit the third loss and each game can still be enjoyed on its own, but that super slim playoff chance enhances the fun.

Hawks are a razor's edge from being 4-1 or 5-0. If the Hawks were on one of those marks (I get they aren't but it wasn't beyond their capability), Gronowski hadn't gotten hurt, and with Penn State looking very beatable, we'd definitely all have some playoff buzz going right now.

My point for at least me personally, that would only add to the fun of the season right now, and not take anything away. (Even if and when the third loss hit). But I think we are kind of saying the same thing - don't let expectations take away from the enjoyment of the season.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Correct. Nobody won the conference. Two teams tied for the conference lead. A win in that situation would require the two or more teams in question to play each other until a winner is established.

Since that didn't happen, there was a tie.

Were the Packers and Cowboys both winners the other day or both losers?

Or did they tie?

Two different situations and you know it. One is a head to head single game, one the season conference title based on overall record.

When two teams finish with identical records and don't play head-to-head they are considered Co-Champions. Pull up a list of B1G football Champs. You don't see "No Champion" or "Vacant" for years where two teams tied. There are trophies on display in the Hawkeye football complex if you need further evidence

Certainly not as satisfying, but still first place. Now there's a title game so that no longer happens.

 

[HawkeyeHypnosis]

False. A tie is not a win. It's a tie. If you win something it means you were better than someone else. If you tie someone it means you were exactly the same. No one wins.

Hence why they have 3 separate words...

Win, lose, tie.

If a tie was the same as a win they wouldn't have a separate word for it. Claiming ties as wins is a half notch above a participation trophy.

This is strictly your opinion. I wish we could have had tie breaker games in the past but that’s not how it was set up. We never got a shot at Ohio State in ‘02. That’s not the teams fault. Could have ended up playing Miami instead of USC.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Anyone who thinks the Hawkeyes have a non zero chance at making the CFP is a complete idiot. Like Velcro shoes idiot.

How do people even spend time reading this crap?

Yea, that ship has sailed this season, and prob most seasons going forward.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

There's a lot of reach in the piece. Penn St losing does very little for Iowa. One could just as easily argue that it makes things tougher as PSU won't overlook the Iowa game.

Nothing changes. Iowa still has to win out to make the playoff.

Kind of what I am thinking. Wouldn't it have been better to beat Penn State who didn't shit the bed against who is viewed as a chitty team? Iowa needed Penn St to be a contender for any slim chance at all. Having Penn St lose is only worse for Iowa SOS.

 

[ChosenChildren]

False. A tie is not a win. It's a tie. If you win something it means you were better than someone else. If you tie someone it means you were exactly the same. No one wins.

Hence why they have 3 separate words...

Win, lose, tie.

If a tie was the same as a win they wouldn't have a separate word for it. Claiming ties as wins is a half notch above a participation trophy.

I agree with most of what you post, but this is just ridiculous.

Iowa went 8-0 in the Big Ten conference in 2002. They were champions, along with Ohio state, an unbeaten 8-0 team. They didn't get to play Ohio State that year.

The Big Ten awarded co-championship trophies in the Big Ten for over 100 years.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

I agree with most of what you post, but this is just ridiculous.

Iowa went 8-0 in the Big Ten conference in 2002. They were champions, along with Ohio state, an unbeaten 8-0 team. They didn't get to play Ohio State that year.

The Big Ten awarded co-championship trophies in the Big Ten for over 100 years.

Yep. A co-Championship is a championship. There are trophies in the case. Comparing this situation to a tie in the NFL is a ridiculously bad comparison. Its like comparing a donkey with a ham sandwich.

 

[Fryowa]

Two different situations and you know it. One is a head to head single game, one the season conference title based on overall record.

When two teams finish with identical records and don't play head-to-head they are considered Co-Champions. Pull up a list of B1G football Champs. You don't see "No Champion" or "Vacant" for years where two teams tied. There are trophies on display in the Hawkeye football complex if you need further evidence

Certainly not as satisfying, but still first place. Now there's a title game so that no longer happens.

Sorry. We can disagree.

And funnily enough I never hear anyone saying "co-champions" when referring to the years Iowa tied. Folks conveniently forget to leave the co- part out. What I hear is Iowa won a Big Ten in 02/04, not Iowa tied with OSU and Michigan in 02/04 as co-champions.

Like I said and should have been obvious, my feeling is a championship implies a win, not a tie. A tie is a tie whether you want to call it that or a co-championship. If you think different that's great.

 

[Fryowa]

Yep. A co-Championship is a championship. There are trophies in the case. Comparing this situation to a tie in the NFL is a ridiculously bad comparison. Its like comparing a donkey with a ham sandwich.

I agree with most of what you post, but this is just ridiculous.

Iowa went 8-0 in the Big Ten conference in 2002. They were champions, along with Ohio state, an unbeaten 8-0 team. They didn't get to play Ohio State that year.

The Big Ten awarded co-championship trophies in the Big Ten for over 100 years.

This is strictly your opinion. I wish we could have had tie breaker games in the past but that’s not how it was set up. We never got a shot at Ohio State in ‘02. That’s not the teams fault. Could have ended up playing Miami instead of USC.

Nope. If there's a mandatory asterisk or a qualifying word that has to go with it that makes it not a championship. What if there was a 4 way tie, would that still be considered a championship? Champion means you're the best in whatever you're undertaking. "Best" by definitions means better than everyone else, not just some of the others.

If they wanted to remove the ambiguity they should've made a tiebreaker rule no matter how ridiculous. Most points scored in Big Ten play, whatever. At the point that there's a predetermined tie break I'm fine with it because those are the rules set out beforehand. But they didn't.

Please don't break your keyboards. I'm not worth it.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

I can shit in my hand and hope it turns into a cheeseburger.

Such an Iowa sentence. My Dad used to say a variation of this: "You can shit in one hand and hope in the other and see which one fills up first." Anytime my wife uses the word "hope" I break this puppy out and she looks at me like I brought my best pig to church with me.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

Nope. If there's a mandatory asterisk or a qualifying word that has to go with it that makes it not a championship. What if there was a 4 way tie, would that still be considered a championship? Champion means you're the best in whatever you're undertaking. "Best" by definitions means better than everyone else, not just some of the others.

If they wanted to remove the ambiguity they should've made a tiebreaker rule no matter how ridiculous. Most points scored in Big Ten play, whatever. At the point that there's a predetermined tie break I'm fine with it because those are the rules set out beforehand. But they didn't.

Please don't break your keyboards. I'm not worth it.

Fry, don't make me prove you wrong linguistically!

Yes, "Championship" suggests that the "champion" is better than all others. True. However, you kind of ignore that the word is modified with the "Co" thing at the beginning. Co, means joint or mutual or together. So, the 2 (or 3 or 4) teams that are declared cochampions are all jointly champions. They are all mutually and as a group better than anyone else. Co does not mean "tied with." For your argument to have validity, you would need the letters "Co" to mean something they do not. Sorry, give it up. You be wrong on this one!

 

[ICHawk24]

Ohio State declares Iowa as Big Ten Champions in 2002 and 2004:

Big Ten Champions | OSU vs UM

library.osu.edu

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Sorry. We can disagree.

And funnily enough I never hear anyone saying "co-champions" when referring to the years Iowa tied. Folks conveniently forget to leave the co- part out. What I hear is Iowa won a Big Ten in 02/04, not Iowa tied with OSU and Michigan in 02/04 as co-champions.

Like I said and should have been obvious, my feeling is a championship implies a win, not a tie. A tie is a tie whether you want to call it that or a co-championship. If you think different that's great.

It's not what I think. The conference issued a trophy to the both/all teams that finished in first place. You'll have to take it up with the B1G office.

 

[DrKnipe]

I agree with most of what you post, but this is just ridiculous.

Iowa went 8-0 in the Big Ten conference in 2002. They were champions, along with Ohio state, an unbeaten 8-0 team. They didn't get to play Ohio State that year.

The Big Ten awarded co-championship trophies in the Big Ten for over 100 years.

The trophies prove that a championship was won, even if it’s a co-championship. I don’t want to live in a world where less significance is awarded to Iowa’s 1991 co-champions Holiday Bowl trophy.