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Badgers Take Advantage of Another Cold Shooting Performance by Iowa
Fryowa
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Seems like a pertinent stat to me.
My takeaways is that's not a good Wisconsin team. We couldn't beat them at home or away. If anyone thinks this team is about to turn it on and make a run in March in either tournament then they have some blind faith going on. That was bad bad bad.
We just don't play smart. They seem to think jacking up 3s is the answer to their problems and instead it's the cause of them. I'm not sure what you do as a coach though because at home we can make them. You can't just totally flip how you play on the road style wise. It's not like we can post up Murray or Rebraca all the time. Or dribble drive to the hoop we just aren't built that way. We are a team that lives and dies by the 3. That stat shows it plain as day.
NorthKCHawk
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The narrative that all Iowa does is jack up 3s and nothing else is tired. Yes, Iowa does shoot a lot of 3s, but so does nearly all of college BB and the entirety of the NBA. That is was sabermetrics has done to the game.
The last two games, Iowa has worked its offense and taken good shots. Its not like Flip or Josh O are out there bombing 3s. The guys taking those shots all shoot in the 30 percentage or above range. 90% of the shots were open looks. They just did not drop. Iowa was getting the ball low to Flip and Perkins was taking it to the hoop. We lost both of these games because we cannot buy an open look at a 3, especially our potential All-American who is playing like anything but right now.
Every team plays better at home. Every team shoots better at home. Road wins in conference are actually pretty rare, especially this season. But Iowa's shooting woes on the road are fairly epic and I hope Fran gets something sorted out soon. Teams don't host NCAA tourney games, but they do NIT......
The last two games, Iowa has worked its offense and taken good shots. Its not like Flip or Josh O are out there bombing 3s. The guys taking those shots all shoot in the 30 percentage or above range. 90% of the shots were open looks. They just did not drop. Iowa was getting the ball low to Flip and Perkins was taking it to the hoop. We lost both of these games because we cannot buy an open look at a 3, especially our potential All-American who is playing like anything but right now.
Every team plays better at home. Every team shoots better at home. Road wins in conference are actually pretty rare, especially this season. But Iowa's shooting woes on the road are fairly epic and I hope Fran gets something sorted out soon. Teams don't host NCAA tourney games, but they do NIT......
MelroseHawkins
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"Stat of the Day...............Stat of the Day!!".
MelroseHawkins
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I wonder how many Wisky points came off our 3 pt misses. No consistent inside game as a second plan is the downfall of this team. Too many eggs in one basket.
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MelroseHawkins
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Good objective post. And yes, shooting well and winning on the road is very difficult. People need to remember that. We aren't the only team that has had some head scratching results playing on the road. The announcers made reference to other BIG teams.
But, the coaches need to examine this and see if they can do something to stem the tide when shooting is not going well on the road. Maybe try inside a little more or drive and dish, shots, or maybe get fouled. Hell, post Murry up more 6 ft from the hoop and see what he can make happen.
Understatement. Pretty much half of Iowa's FGs attempts the last two games have been 3s. That's more then a lot and it's too many. Especially for a group that has shown they can't shoot well on the road. Be it the balls they use or whatever the reasons/excuses are for shooting so much worse at the end of the day the results are what they are. They should try and adjust what they do. As impossible as that may seem. Shooting more 3s that you can't make isn't the answer to problem they have.
This was a close game. A winnable one against a not very good Wisconsin group. If they'd have found a way to get to the line more and make some 2s it was there for the taking. For once Iowa's D wasn't the problem. (for stretches it was they gave up some easy looks on pick and rolls) But for the most part they forced a lot of TOs and did enough to win. This was on the offense 100% not putting points on the board.
HawkGold
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Who is saying that? But, of course, teams oft shoot better at home (not always). T
2nd Pl BIG is pretty much out of the question. 3rd place is a hurdle but surmountable (Out of Hawks control). Hawks can still finish 12th.
Every team in the middle has significant weaknesses. Iowa is ranked 226 on 3 point percentage. They are 238 in 3-pointers made and 120th in 3s given up (not good). There are 351 teams.
Iowa is 121st in chucking up threes (higher end)
75th in fast break points which does mean more possessions.
Hawks aren't Grinnell, but the plan is obviously to live and die by the 3 and lots of them. They will likely finish about .500 in the Big.
2 Big teams chuck up more 3s than Iowa. IL and NW. NW and IL play D.
Teams that win play to their strengths on O. Teams that win try and cover up weaknesses. Iowa has just a couple of real shooters on the team that opponents are afraid of one of which draws a host of consistent attention.
So, I guess we can sit back and relax and enjoy a few more good home games, suffer the road game and expect in the first couple of games to miss shots in the dance.
That's OK I guess.
HawkGold
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You just spoke out of both sides of your mouth btw. Good objective post...but let's try this. But yet you mock those who suggest it. Nice
HuckFinn
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I turned the game off with a few minutes to play. Could not stand watching us lose to a team that is next to awful. We have had some chances to prove ourselves recently, but that has not happened. Very disappointed. Our guys need to get out of their own heads. 3 tough one’s ahead of us. Two at home. What’s next?
This post is pretty spot on. Only thing I would add is there are still other ways in 2023 you can win a ball game if you arent making and taking 3s. One of the most important is to not waste 25 seconds of the shot clock looking for an open 3 when ur team is rotten from 3s. Goin to the hole where yes iowas strength is getting to the line....SO DO it ...no way should an unathletic team like that get more FTs than us period and yes even on the road. Press the shit out of them if your playing 10 guys..that team last night doesnt want to play a running game at all nothing even close to it they are not in shape. I think we all know how the game is played at levels revolving around the 3 now. Can you win without 3s..well Tennessee has been top ten all year and they are 290th in 3 pt percentage and if you watch them play their offense looks for shots inside 12 feet with screens backdoors and dunks. My answer is you can still win with a crappy 3 point team.
Dadman
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It is certainly the downfall of the last two games, anyway. Within 1 point at half, I was hoping (always hopeful I guess) that Fran would have abandoned the 3 game and just pounded it inside. Didnt help that two players, if not three, had possibly their worst games of the year............and I am not going to name names, we all saw the game.
Dadman
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This is a big concern, the home games will not be easy with MSU and NE, and the road game is a loss......
11-9 is almost a prayer at this point.
NorthKCHawk
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We can dry erase board all sorts of alternative plays and schemes. But, we are 13 days from the start of the conference tourney. You dance with the fella that brought ya.
Maybe this is the boys getting the shit games out of their system now before the tourneys start! It worked for PS earlier in the season. Suck when the sucking isn't critical.....
Maybe this is the boys getting the shit games out of their system now before the tourneys start! It worked for PS earlier in the season. Suck when the sucking isn't critical.....
HawkGold
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And maybe there is a reason for shit games.
How old are you? Did you never watch and listen to Lute, AL McGuire and others. These are college students. They are highly competitive and smart going against highly competitive and smart players. The issue is in the half court and if the don't adjust it is going to be an ugly end.
Never count out Fran but he is oft slow to get to counting.
I didn't think we took too many threes, we just can't hit the open shots that we're getting on the road. We missed a lot of close up shots too (overall 17 of 34 from 2-point range). You need a higher 2-point percentage to offset what is always going to be a lower 3-point percentage.
This was a close game with 10 minutes left and the lack of scoring just snowballed on us. I thought our defense overall was okay but we definitely had some let downs in that last 10 minutes, which was partly due to not being able to score.
This was a close game with 10 minutes left and the lack of scoring just snowballed on us. I thought our defense overall was okay but we definitely had some let downs in that last 10 minutes, which was partly due to not being able to score.
HaydenHawk56
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Whatever offense set...sets that you can draw up to shoot lay-ups....flex...movers/blockers...Princeton....some contingency plan...please.
HawkGold
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I really don't know the answer. When is the last time the Hawks fouled out an opponent? How oft?
