Howe: Hawkeyes Will Return with Talent, High Expectations in '17-18

[revkev73]

Fran have the same big ten games per year as Lute?

 

[BrueCrew3]

Fran have the same big ten games per year as Lute?

Yes .. Lute played 9 teams twice each. Fran plays 18 B1G games.

GO HAWKS!!!

 

[Hawkalum2002]

As bad as free throw shooting was at times this year, it's still not going to get better as a team no matter how much Cook, Pemsl, Wagner or anyone improves individually. No matter who gets whatever free throws Jok did, they aren't going to shoot 90% to replace it. End of games are going to be interesting as Bohannon would seem to be the best option but he missed two huge ones against Illinois and another against TCU himself. That could be a big problem in close games. We don't beat Indiana the first time if Jok doesn't make 11-12 in OT. Who makes those next year? That'll be an important factor in if the record improves.

 

[BigD]

The only thing Rob wrote about expectations is that they will be raised next season -- an NIT birth will be a serious disappointment. He's right. But making the NCAA is not a "high" expectation.

Ending the Final Four drought in 2018? Now that's an expectation that's not only high but foolish.

He didn't mention football.

Are you adding your own opinion to Rob's or claiming Rob said that?

It's not an opinion when it factual. When expectations have been high for KF that usually means things don't go well. I didn't say Rob said that but that is the reality it has been thus far in the football program and also last year with the basketball program.

People were at one point talking about a number one seed and how did that turn out? People can focus on this year's young team but for last year they can't use that excuse. I am hopeful for the next two or three years but after last year who knows for sure. Three highly recruited seniors and Jok as a junior. Are you going to tell me that people didn't have high expectations for last year's team??? I have reason to doubt. I have reason to hope just like I did at the beginning of last season. No one knows but we will soon find out won't we.

 

[PCHawk]

As bad as free throw shooting was at times this year, it's still not going to get better as a team no matter how much Cook, Pemsl, Wagner or anyone improves individually. No matter who gets whatever free throws Jok did, they aren't going to shoot 90% to replace it. End of games are going to be interesting as Bohannon would seem to be the best option but he missed two huge ones against Illinois and another against TCU himself. That could be a big problem in close games. We don't beat Indiana the first time if Jok doesn't make 11-12 in OT. Who makes those next year? That'll be an important factor in if the record improves.

The 2 Bohannon missed against Illinois were bad, but the TCU miss wasn't a crunch time miss. It was just a random miss that everyone has from time to time. I feel better about Bohannon at the line late in games than I have for any player from Iowa for as long as I can remember. Except Jok of course. And probably Gatens.

 

[Tierney]

Missouri with Cuonzo Martin appears to be on the rise. Martin offered Michael Porters dad a job after, or maybe before, he decommitted from Washington. He is going after the five star center that Illinois signed among others. I think Michael Porters mom played at Iowa.

 

[DDThompson]

It's not an opinion when it factual. When expectations have been high for KF that usually means things don't go well. I didn't say Rob said that but that is the reality it has been thus far in the football program and also last year with the basketball program.

Schoolhouse Rock's Conjunction Function says "and" ties two ideas together and you made it read like Rob wrote about high expectations not being pretty in basketball and football.

He didn't and that's why I asked the question.

In fact, you said Iowa's history in basketball and football hasn't been pretty and then state above "last year" for basketball. And one season makes a history?

And there is nothing factual about expectations. Expectations are nothing more and nothing less than people's opinions about what they're guessing and/or wanting to happen.

What happens on the court in Wins and Losses is factual (unless it's in Minnesota -- there wins can be losses). Fans' opinions don't influence Ws and Ls.

 

[WindsorHawk]

As bad as free throw shooting was at times this year, it's still not going to get better as a team no matter how much Cook, Pemsl, Wagner or anyone improves individually. No matter who gets whatever free throws Jok did, they aren't going to shoot 90% to replace it. End of games are going to be interesting as Bohannon would seem to be the best option but he missed two huge ones against Illinois and another against TCU himself. That could be a big problem in close games. We don't beat Indiana the first time if Jok doesn't make 11-12 in OT. Who makes those next year? That'll be an important factor in if the record improves.

Bohannon shot 85.5% from the line. That's excellent even if Jok made over 90%. Ellingson was 18 for 18. Ellingson will be a role player getting limited minutes. But he's experienced and can be on the floor at the end of games to get fouled and make FTs. IMO

 

[PCHawk]

Bohannon shot 85.5% from the line. That's excellent even if Jok made over 90%. Ellingson was 18 for 18. Ellingson will be a role player getting limited minutes. But he's experienced and can be on the floor at the end of games to get fouled and make FTs. IMO

As long as he learns to scream timeout even louder.

 

[CP87]

Missouri with Cuonzo Martin appears to be on the rise. Martin offered Michael Porters dad a job after, or maybe before, he decommitted from Washington. He is going after the five star center that Illinois signed among others. I think Michael Porters mom played at Iowa.

How would people on here feel about Iowa giving Porter Sr. a job? A little skeezy, or all's fair in basketball and war? He does seem someone legit as a coaching candidate, he was a college women's assistant prior to getting the Washington position.

 

[MisterLucky]

I have a question that may be a bit off subject, but it is mentioned in the article. How tall is Jack Nunge? I've seen him listed anywhere from 6' 9" to 6' 11". Just curious .. ..

GO HAWKS!!!

FWIW, during the broadcast of his HS Championship game (in which he went 32 pts/14 RB's), the announcers kept referring to him as 6'11", and were not pleased with the fact he had chosen to go out of state to Iowa.

 

[revkev73]

Perhaps Alford will go after Nunge when he takes over the Indiana program in a few weeks...and fails in getting him.

 

[Hawkalum2002]

It's not an opinion when it factual. When expectations have been high for KF that usually means things don't go well. I didn't say Rob said that but that is the reality it has been thus far in the football program and also last year with the basketball program.

People were at one point talking about a number one seed and how did that turn out? People can focus on this year's young team but for last year they can't use that excuse. I am hopeful for the next two or three years but after last year who knows for sure. Three highly recruited seniors and Jok as a junior. Are you going to tell me that people didn't have high expectations for last year's team??? I have reason to doubt. I have reason to hope just like I did at the beginning of last season. No one knows but we will soon find out won't we.

Schoolhouse Rock's Conjunction Function says "and" ties two ideas together and you made it read like Rob wrote about high expectations not being pretty in basketball and football.

He didn't and that's why I asked the question.

In fact, you said Iowa's history in basketball and football hasn't been pretty and then state above "last year" for basketball. And one season makes a history?

And there is nothing factual about expectations. Expectations are nothing more and nothing less than people's opinions about what they're guessing and/or wanting to happen.

What happens on the court in Wins and Losses is factual (unless it's in Minnesota -- there wins can be losses). Fans' opinions don't influence Ws and Ls.

Including last year's basketball team is not an example of failing to meet expectations anyway. We didn't have high expectations, they were picked 7th or 8th in the conference pre-season polls and not expected to make the NCAA tournament at all. They weren't even picked to make the tourney going into the B10 season, we already had three losses non-conference albeit against NCAA teams with our only good wins against injury depleted Wichita State. We didn't even crack the top 25 until after the New Year when we beat MSU and Purdue. That we made it to #3 in the country was an amazing accomplishment, not a disappointment at all. The expectations were almost exactly the same as going into this year really. Whatever expectations we had came much later after we'd earned them, not before the season.

 

[OkstHawk]

Making the NCAA tournament does not equal high expectations. If that's anyone's idea of high expectations, that person(s) should be beaten into unconsciousness with a rubber hose. Those can be the expectations. But you can't say those are high expectations.

Hey man, this is Iowa. We don't talk about championships around here. That kind of silly talk is only for elite programs. Fans here need to be realistic. Just as Iowa football fans should never expect more than 7 wins in a year, an NIT birth is about right.

 

[MILHAWKEYE]

Michael Porter Junior's mom did play for Iowa. Her name was Lisa Becker.

 

[lightning1]

I know you want a B1G title Lightning, but those are not easy to come by. For instance a HOF coach at Iowa got 1 B1G title in 9 years, and it was a 3 way tie at 13-5. The year Lute won the B1G they got bounced early from the NCAA tournament. When Iowa finished 4th in the B1G at 10-8 they made the final 4. Personally I'd take a 4th place B1G finish and a final 4 run over winning the B1G and not even making the sweet 16.

Over Lutes last 4 years he won 10, 12, 13, 10, and B1G games. Fran has won 10, 12, 12, 9. So 2 less games over the last 4 years.

Listen I'm not saying Fran is better, or really even close to what Lute was. What I am saying is it isn't easy to win the conference even as a HOF coach at Iowa.

I dont care who's coaching. Unless you are a mid-major team in a 1 tourney bid league, making the tournament is never "high expectations". I don't ever see myself conceding this argument. For any reason.

 

[DDThompson]

Including last year's basketball team is not an example of failing to meet expectations anyway. We didn't have high expectations, they were picked 7th or 8th in the conference pre-season polls and not expected to make the NCAA tournament at all. They weren't even picked to make the tourney going into the B10 season, we already had three losses non-conference albeit against NCAA teams with our only good wins against injury depleted Wichita State. We didn't even crack the top 25 until after the New Year when we beat MSU and Purdue. That we made it to #3 in the country was an amazing accomplishment, not a disappointment at all. The expectations were almost exactly the same as going into this year really. Whatever expectations we had came much later after we'd earned them, not before the season.

Good take here.
I agree.

Pre-season expectations can change during the season but when that happens a heavy dose of the season in context is mandatory, like you just did.

 

[DDThompson]

I dont care who's coaching. Unless you are a mid-major team in a 1 tourney bid league, making the tournament is never "high expectations". I don't ever see myself conceding this argument. For any reason.

I'm not sure how dean is talking about Big10 titles and you're talking about Madness never being a high expectation ... seems like cross-threading going on here.

But I agree with you both.
Dean 100% and you 99.8%.

Starting 3 non-one-and-dones and near-unanimous amount of minutes from freshmen/sophomores ... making Madness, to me, would be a high expectation.

Making Madness is never a high expectation. It's either an expectation or it's not.

As others have said, the only reason we had any hope this season was because the bubble was as weak as a Dooooshmaker take.

 

[deanvogs]

I dont care who's coaching. Unless you are a mid-major team in a 1 tourney bid league, making the tournament is never "high expectations". I don't ever see myself conceding this argument. For any reason.

That is fine, there is nothing wrong with your opinion, just realize lots of people see it differently. I just find it hard to make it my yearly expectation that Iowa should win the B1G when a HOF coach only managed that feat once in 9 years and even then only with a 13-5 record and a 3 way tie.

You have your expectations and others have theirs.

 

[OkstHawk]

That is fine, there is nothing wrong with your opinion, just realize lots of people see it differently. I just find it hard to make it my yearly expectation that Iowa should win the B1G when a HOF coach only managed that feat once in 9 years and even then only with a 13-5 record and a 3 way tie.

You have your expectations and others have theirs.

To be fair, in the post you are referencing, the poster does not mention BIG title. Making the tourney should never be something out of reach for Iowa.