Mandel calls KF One of Five Worst

[Hawkfnntn]

Statistically they may improve but they are to scared to take risks.

Tate came in being a risk taker, they were never really able to coach that out of him and it just ended up in friction.

JC may or may not have been better in 06, in 07 the talent wasn't there but he was scared to death to throw an INT.

Stanzi came in as a risk taker, understandably they tried to get him to quit throwing INTs but he looked scared as a senior as well where that was not the case before. As a soph against pitt he tried to hurry the team up down the field at the end of the half and got benched for completing passes. As a senior against Wisconsin he looked totally confused at the end of the game.

No one got worse quite like JVB. Coaching certainly played a part. Remember him on the road at OSU. Not giving a $h!+ and throwing missiles like he thought he was Brett Favre. Yeah he threw INTs but he also left us in a position to win at thend. Then two years later he was seemingly incapable of even making a decision.


Ask yourself this. Who would you want to put in to win a game at the end.
Junior Stanzi or Senior?
Sophmore Tate or Senior?
Soph/Junior JVB or Senior?

Its definitely my opinion that Iowas QBs are too afraid to make mistakes.

Give me Soph Tate with the weapons Stanzi had to play with....

 

[RocknRollface]

I didn't take teams not known for football I took coaches with losing records. In your hatred for KF you mention all the advantages Iowa has in football over other teams. You fail to mention that a lot of those advantages are because of KF he's the one that DEVELOPS players into NFL talent. He's the one helping get the facilities upgraded and he's the coach that has won enough to get people in the seats. I am not blind to the fact that he needs to win this year but to ignore what he has done and call him one of the bottom 5 coaches is insane I wouldn't call KF in the top half of coaches right not but he is not bottom 5.


And we are talking about the worse coaches in the NCAA not teams that play the same teams as Iowa so the comparison works as there are worse coaches out there.

All legit points, which is why I don't think those guys could do nearly as well as Ferentz.

Still, Iowa had a decided advantage over most of them before KF.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

I didn't take teams not known for football I took coaches with losing records. In your hatred for KF you mention all the advantages Iowa has in football over other teams. You fail to mention that a lot of those advantages are because of KF he's the one that DEVELOPS players into NFL talent. He's the one helping get the facilities upgraded and he's the coach that has won enough to get people in the seats. I am not blind to the fact that he needs to win this year but to ignore what he has done and call him one of the bottom 5 coaches is insane I wouldn't call KF in the top half of coaches right not but he is not bottom 5.


And we are talking about the worse coaches in the NCAA not teams that play the same teams as Iowa so the comparison works as there are worse coaches out there.

Slow down there... YES, he develops players into NFL talent. No question.

But Iowa fans have been filling the seats since before most of the people on this board were born. It's not a phenomenon created by KFz.

Nor would I credit him for the facility upgrades. That's a much bigger project, and again..something that would likely happen with whatever coach was here. People don't contribute big bucks because they love Ferentz (with some exceptions of course)...they contribute because they love IOWA and IOWA football.

 

[LASBUR]

Drummer, KF abulity to bring in money is the reason he has the big contract. Period.

Slow down there... YES, he develops players into NFL talent. No question.

But Iowa fans have been filling the seats since before most of the people on this board were born. It's not a phenomenon created by KFz.

Nor would I credit him for the facility upgrades. That's a much bigger project, and again..something that would likely happen with whatever coach was here. People don't contribute big bucks because they love Ferentz (with some exceptions of course)...they contribute because they love IOWA and IOWA football.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Slow down there... YES, he develops players into NFL talent. No question.

But Iowa fans have been filling the seats since before most of the people on this board were born. It's not a phenomenon created by KFz.

Nor would I credit him for the facility upgrades. That's a much bigger project, and again..something that would likely happen with whatever coach was here. People don't contribute big bucks because they love Ferentz (with some exceptions of course)...they contribute because they love IOWA and IOWA football.

Look, pal, attendance had started tailing when Hayden was winding down and Kurt promptly brought it back up. Not only that, but the teams were good enough such that the University was suddenly able to extract sizeable premiums for seats. You can claim all day that Iowa fans are the best in the world blah blah blah, but just look at what happened to basketball attendance. Iowa fans aren't as fair weather as many other fan bases, but they are still fair weather in that they ain't gonna shell out $7-900+ for decent season tickets if the ball club is a perpetual 4-8-ish team. Many Iowa fans are dumb, but not that dumb.

 

[AZHAWKFAN1]

Look, pal, attendance had started tailing when Hayden was winding down and Kurt promptly brought it back up. Not only that, but the teams were good enough such that the University was suddenly able to extract sizeable premiums for seats. You can claim all day that Iowa fans are the best in the world blah blah blah, but just look at what happened to basketball attendance. Iowa fans aren't as fair weather as many other fan bases, but they are still fair weather in that they ain't gonna shell out $7-900+ for decent season tickets if the ball club is a perpetual 4-8-ish team. Many Iowa fans are dumb, but not that dumb.

And now fans are not renewing season tickets.........................

 

[tubahawk]

And now fans are not renewing season tickets.........................

That's because the what OK4Prez forgot to mention was the real reason attendance went up when KF came to town was because he brought KOK with him. Now that KOK has left town attendance is dropping again.

 

[trj]

Look, pal, attendance had started tailing when Hayden was winding down and Kurt promptly brought it back up. Not only that, but the teams were good enough such that the University was suddenly able to extract sizeable premiums for seats. You can claim all day that Iowa fans are the best in the world blah blah blah, but just look at what happened to basketball attendance. Iowa fans aren't as fair weather as many other fan bases, but they are still fair weather in that they ain't gonna shell out $7-900+ for decent season tickets if the ball club is a perpetual 4-8-ish team. Many Iowa fans are dumb, but not that dumb.

So you are not buying into the whole "Kinnick is like Wrigley field" theory that people are tossing out. Record doesn't matter it is all about the gameday atmosphere and people will show up regardless of the product on the field.

 

[whammer33024]

And now fans are not renewing season tickets.........................

so there are season ticket packages available right now? or are they all gone?

 

[hawkeyebob62]

His tweet comes off awful smug but no one is OK with 4-8 regardless of salary but Mandel is clearly missing the point. You cannot dismiss his entire career and call him a top 5 worst coach unless he states based on a specific time period and point to salary and what Iowa is getting in return in regards to wins. That is probably his point but he didn't specify that.

<<That is probably his point but he didn't specify that>>

His point came out in his tweet: "get a reaction" and "when called on the carpet, go with the class-envy fall-back"

 

[vosov]

So you are not buying into the whole "Kinnick is like Wrigley field" theory that people are tossing out. Record doesn't matter it is all about the gameday atmosphere and people will show up regardless of the product on the field.

The renewal rate was obviously lower, but I believe they "sold out" of season tickets again. Only a hand full of stadiums would be able to do that after the turd this program has been recently.

 

[deanvogs]

I'm not sure how any sane person can think that KF is a bottom 5 coach. A bottom 5 coach buries a program, like Calahan did at Nebraska, or Weiss did at ND, or RR at Michigan, or Zook did at Florida......basically taking national powers and turning them into losers.....now that is hard to do.

If you compare KF to Iowa's history, you will find he was alot like Hayden (Each pizzed away a year in which we should have been awesome). Fry had some good to great teams (12 years of 7 wins or more), and had some poor to average teams (8 years of 6 wins or less). KF has 9 years of 7 wins or more, and 5 years of 6 wins or less.

Bottom 5 coaches don't keep the program at the same level they found it.....bottom 5 coaches take it and completely bury the program ALA Lick.

If he were talking most overpaid coaches for the results.....then he is spot on for the last 3 years. According to him, he isn't though, so he is just a troll or an idiot, or just doesn't understand what a bottom 5 coach really is.

 

[FreedComanche]

I'm not sure how any sane person can think that KF is a bottom 5 coach.

Dean, let me get this straight. Are you saying that Ooth ain't entirely sane???????

FreedComanche

 

[NeilDiamond]

Bottom 5 overall is nuthouse silly.

If the list was 5 most disapponting or overpaid then Mandel is right on target.

 

[hwk23]

Statistically they may improve but they are to scared to take risks.

Tate came in being a risk taker, they were never really able to coach that out of him and it just ended up in friction.

JC may or may not have been better in 06, in 07 the talent wasn't there but he was scared to death to throw an INT.

Stanzi came in as a risk taker, understandably they tried to get him to quit throwing INTs but he looked scared as a senior as well where that was not the case before. As a soph against pitt he tried to hurry the team up down the field at the end of the half and got benched for completing passes. As a senior against Wisconsin he looked totally confused at the end of the game.

No one got worse quite like JVB. Coaching certainly played a part. Remember him on the road at OSU. Not giving a $h!+ and throwing missiles like he thought he was Brett Favre. Yeah he threw INTs but he also left us in a position to win at thend. Then two years later he was seemingly incapable of even making a decision.


Ask yourself this. Who would you want to put in to win a game at the end.
Junior Stanzi or Senior?
Sophmore Tate or Senior?
Soph/Junior JVB or Senior?

Its definitely my opinion that Iowas QBs are too afraid to make mistakes.

Stanzi went from dead last in the Big Ten in INT's (per attempt) in 2009 to 1st in 2010. That's not a normal progression. He didn't do it by throwing the ball better. He did it by becoming more conservative and only throwing very safe throws.

There is an optimum level of risk, and some throws are dumb, but if it were such a good idea to become ultra conservative, everybody would be doing it. It's really not that hard to do. I remember the AZ game when Stanzi wouldn't even throw the ball when we had a chance to win the game on the final drive.

 

[Makavelihawk]

I can't remember how many times in that 10' season I said "Stanzi is playing like a whipped dog!" It was absolutely maddening.

 

[74Hunter]

Overpaid based on number of wins? - absoutely yes.

Top 5 worst coaches? - not even close.

"Don't sell yourself short Judge - you're a tremendous slouch"

From an outsider's perspective, I would agree with this.

Kirk has done some very good things as Iowa's HC. He had a really nice run there in the mid 90's. Sure the past 2-3 years haven't matched those years, but he may get back to that level.

Now, is he worth his salary......that should certainly be up for debate.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

I didn't take teams not known for football I took coaches with losing records. In your hatred for KF you mention all the advantages Iowa has in football over other teams. You fail to mention that a lot of those advantages are because of KF he's the one that DEVELOPS players into NFL talent. He's the one helping get the facilities upgraded and he's the coach that has won enough to get people in the seats. I am not blind to the fact that he needs to win this year but to ignore what he has done and call him one of the bottom 5 coaches is insane I wouldn't call KF in the top half of coaches right not but he is not bottom 5.


And we are talking about the worse coaches in the NCAA not teams that play the same teams as Iowa so the comparison works as there are worse coaches out there.

Read the thread bub. I have said many times what Kirk does well. Nobody can give another coach that has such poor results with soo much NFL talent.

Kirk cant coach on saturdays and that is very easy to see.

 

[HomerChampless]

And if thats the way it works, KF is a better coach than Joe Pa was.

Section136, you might be grasping the SI writer's point with your analogy. For the talent at Iowa/PSU (under JoePa the later years) the head coach has an exceptional inability to produce with exceptional talent. If the trend continues, the exceptional talent soon dries up. But really, who cares because KF won't use their talent anyway.

The saying among Iowa fans is: KF can mold high school football players with no-stars into players that play well in his system. That's an upgrade in their talent. I say when the high school talent is high, when the stars are high, KF molds these players into players that play well in his system (that's likely a downgrade in their talent).

 

[Section136]

Section136, you might be grasping the SI writer's point with your analogy. For the talent at Iowa/PSU (under JoePa the later years) the head coach has an exceptional inability to produce with exceptional talent. If the trend continues, the exceptional talent soon dries up. But really, who cares because KF won't use their talent anyway.

The saying among Iowa fans is: KF can mold high school football players with no-stars into players that play well in his system. That's an upgrade in their talent. I say when the high school talent is high, when the stars are high, KF molds these players into players that play well in his system (that's likely a downgrade in their talent).

PSU lost 4 games in the 2008 and 2009 seasons combined. Half of those losses were to Iowa. PSU still had talent towards the end of Joe Pa's tenure and they were still winning a lot of games.