Who has the best +/- for Iowa so far this season?

Who has the best +/- for Iowa through the non-conf?

  • Aaron White

    Votes: 3 5.8%

  • Roy Devyn Marble

    Votes: 6 11.5%

  • Mike Gesell

    Votes: 5 9.6%

  • Anthony Clemmons

    Votes: 19 36.5%

  • Melsahn Basabe

    Votes: 5 9.6%

  • Adam Woodbury

    Votes: 14 26.9%
  • Total voters
    52
goldenhawk96 said:
I would guess it is NOT a starter of any kind. Those games with McCabe in the starting lineup were pretty brutal.
I was bored and researched the Western Kentucky game: totally different athleticism for us; we were extremely slow.
Therefore, I'm going with JoshO. He has done well in all games we have struggled; his poorer shooting games have been in blowouts.
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you cannot be serious about JO......
 
All in all, individual +/- in basketball is a pretty useless stat. The +/- of the different lineups on the floor has much more value but even that needs a very large sample size to provide much value.
 
hawkfan33 said:
All in all, individual +/- in basketball is a pretty useless stat. The +/- of the different lineups on the floor has much more value but even that needs a very large sample size to provide much value.
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Yes and no.
It's best used to find the most effective combination on the floor, but it's hardly useless, in my opinion.
 
Ha. I'm on my phone and couldn't look at the choices. I'll go with Mel as a second guess! I'll stand by my reasoning: the first unit was not entirely effective with the big, slow lineup.
 
I'm surprised their hasn't been more votes for White. He seems like the obvious choice. I voted for Clemmons because he has a solid assist to turnover ratio, and plays solid defense but I have a feeling I'm wrong.
 
Found the stat...I think. It is interesting to look at. Especially may's from season to season. My question is what is gabe's +/-? I honestly couldn't find it and I would like to see everyone's. Interesting fact is that there is no one on the team (that I could find) with a negative +/-...that could be because of the winning but I would have guessed that the mop up time guys might have a negative.
 
hawkfan33 said:
All in all, individual +/- in basketball is a pretty useless stat. The +/- of the different lineups on the floor has much more value but even that needs a very large sample size to provide much value.
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I would disagree. Statistically this should hold more weight than ppg. Think about it...if you score 30 pts it doesn't matter if the guy you guard then scores 31...this takes into account the offense and defense of a player/lineup/team.

Similar statistics are used in baseball and football and they are typically better predictors than other statistics.

I would say that the conference +/- will be more important as right now has been pretty weak competition.
 
redhawk55 said:
it was the UNI game
final stats for Gabe
12 minutes, 4 pts 2-3 fg 0-0 from 3,0-0 ft, 4rbds, 2 blk
final score 80-73
this must really get under your skin, this also was discussed in another thread right after the UNI game
another interesting game was SD
11 minutes 8 pts 3-4 fg, 0-0 from 3, 2-2 ft, 9 rbds and 2 blks
very effective in the time he played
SC ST 19 minutes
6 point 1-4 fg. 4-4 ft, 10 rbds, 4 blks 2 stls
and Coppin ST 18 minutes
14 pts 6-8 fg 2-2 ft, 7 rbds, 2 blks.
on the season he is leading the team in blocked shots with 18 in 12 games, Basabe is 2nd with 17 in 13 games
he is playing better each time on the floor, he played just 3 years of club BB in England after playing soccer. he played 1 year of HS BB in Kansas, and is just starting his 2nd year of college ball, he is just in his 6th year of BB, he could have used a RS but since Brommer and Archie could not stay healthy, Fran had to waste a year in a reserve capacity
as for offers he held offers from Alabama and Xavier, not exactly low level teams
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DERP
 
I remember a game this season, not sure which one, where they showed this stat for the players and one of the players had a huge advantage for that game, not sure which player.


So I vote Woodbury because he tall.
 
theboat said:
I remember a game this season, not sure which one, where they showed this stat for the players and one of the players had a huge advantage for that game, not sure which player.


So I vote Woodbury because he tall.
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thats why I voted for him! Taller is always the best way to guess +/-. Bigger feet, too.
 
herby's brain just might explode in this thread, so please keep it going Spank.

i guessed Clemmons, but that's all it was, a guess. Gabe obviously is the best player on the team, wonder how long it's going to take for the Trashman to get his due.
 
I voted Clemmons, too, because of his assist to turnover ratio, 2.9 after looking it up after voting. I see who it is now and he was going to be my 3rd choice. Marble was my 2nd choice.
 
Foval21 said:
I would disagree. Statistically this should hold more weight than ppg. Think about it...if you score 30 pts it doesn't matter if the guy you guard then scores 31...this takes into account the offense and defense of a player/lineup/team.

Similar statistics are used in baseball and football and they are typically better predictors than other statistics.

I would say that the conference +/- will be more important as right now has been pretty weak competition.
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Who the hell is comparing it to ppg? The problem with individual +/-, especially over a non-conf sample size of only 13 games against greatly different levels of competition, is that it's way too dependent on line up combinations to actually measure an individual's contribution.

For example, let's look at the ISU game.

Gesell had 11 points on 2/10 shooting, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals and 3 turnovers.
Clemmons had 14 points on 5/8 shooting, 1 rebound, 8 assists and only 1 turnover.

I'm assuming you watched the game too, who would you say had a better game?

Well according to +/- it isn't even close, Gesell was +21 and Clemmons was only +2. Of course anyone who watched the game knows Clemmons was a huge part of why we won, he just spent more time on the court with Ogelsby-May-McCabe who all struggled that night.

Also, the overall +/- numbers are greatly diluted by the Coppin St's, Howards and SC State's we have played.
 
OK, I will start eliminating players throughout the afternoon.

Did not make the Top 8: Oglesby 0, Olaseni n/a, Ingram 3.

#8 - Melsahn Basabe 3.4 (65th in the B1G)
 
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Spank - do you have a subscription to any advance stat website that shows the minutes each combination of players is on the floor? I'd be willing to bet the guy who leads Iowa in +/- is the major contributor who has spent the least time on the court with Ogelsby.
 
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