sorry, i'm apparently not old enough to contribute to this thread...
I started the thread, and I ain't old.
This. The thread was predicated on calling out people who only started paying attention the last two years. People act like these two are the twin pillars of our program.
The truth is, fans ripped both of these players unmercifully for their first three years. Let me be clear: I like both Matt and Eric. I don't like hypocritical fans, though.
They were both incredibly frustrating to watch and both continued to make the same mistakes over and over again until they were seniors.
I have no problem with people being critical of that and then being appreciative of them when they do things better.
Gatens was unfairly criticized, but May deserved it. He was very bad the previous year.
I think you are late to the basketball party if you think May is anything special. Sorry boys, he's a run-of-the-mill below average Big Ten player.
pretty sure you told me you were at least middle aged...though "old" may differ on who you're asking.
Neither deserved it.Gatens was unfairly criticized, but May deserved it. He was very bad the previous year.
I think you are late to the basketball party if you think May is anything special. Sorry boys, he's a run-of-the-mill below average Big Ten player.
As to this "You think these NIT appearances are a positive," that doesn't make any sense. The NIT appearances are a positive because of where Iowa has been recently. It's like suggesting Iowa's Alamo Bowl victory in 2001 wasn't a big deal, because Iowa has been to Rose Bowls in the past.
So much DERP.
Gatens and May were 2 of the most vilified players on these boards until they had fantastic senior seasons and then they turned into everybody's favorite player.
Much the same treatment Oglesby gets around here.
The thing about Oglesby is that he is on a razor-edge from being a fan favorite. If he hits 40% of his threes, his scoring average goes up to 9 ppg (based on last year's scoring average) and he's everyone's Will Sheehey. This could easily happen by the end of his career.
Betting against sophomore Oglesby is the ultimate sucker's bet. The tools are there; when he starts to put them together he'll get the keys to University Heights.
Ummm...
5.2 pts, 3.7 rbs, 1.8 assts, 0.9 Stl, and 21.8 mpg is fantastic?
Not even close to a razors edge with Oglewinkel. The kid isn't a gamer. He can hit 3s when he is standing alone in the corner against the NWs of the world when we are up 15 but he couldn't hit the painted square if the game was on the line.
He had two breakout games in 2011 (@IU and @MSU). In both of those games Iowa was getting clobbered the entire game. ie no pressure. In 2012 he had what some would consider above avg. games against Garnder-Webb, Wich St., TAMU CC, and NW. That's it. We lost to Wich St, beat GW with his help and the others were irrelevant games all the way to the buzzer. Not a gamer.
Just for the record, I think the kid is better defensively than some will give him credit for and has average D1 ball handling skills. A shooter needs to have the mental edge on his opponent. Slumps are going to happen but year-long slumps are all upstairs.
Not even close to a razors edge with Oglewinkel. The kid isn't a gamer. He can hit 3s when he is standing alone in the corner against the NWs of the world when we are up 15 but he couldn't hit the painted square if the game was on the line.
He had two breakout games in 2011 (@IU and @MSU). In both of those games Iowa was getting clobbered the entire game. ie no pressure. In 2012 he had what some would consider above avg. games against Garnder-Webb, Wich St., TAMU CC, and NW. That's it. We lost to Wich St, beat GW with his help and the others were irrelevant games all the way to the buzzer. Not a gamer.
Just for the record, I think the kid is better defensively than some will give him credit for and has average D1 ball handling skills. A shooter needs to have the mental edge on his opponent. Slumps are going to happen but year-long slumps are all upstairs.
This is such a stupid post. I'm not a big fan of Josh, not because I hate the kid or anything, but because he isn't a good enough shooter to add a lot of value to the team. Obviously, if he shoots closer to 40% than 30%, that changes. He's an at least average defender (good team defender, but not great one-on-one), better than average passer, and an adequate ball handler.
That being said, the notion of someone being a 'gamer' is stupid. Look at his game log, he was consistently bad from three. No trend emerges.
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