Wyatt Lohaus

The answer is no. Wyatt is a solid player who has yet to make an all MVC team and even start on a regular basis. I fail to see how he would improve our team results these past 2 years.

We play in the B1G not the MVC. It's not an apples to apples comparison night in, night out. The strategy for success cannot be to recruit everyone UNI wants.
 
50613sivert said:
Wyatt committed early - fall of sophomore year, I think. The story from his dad was that he had written "UNI" as a goal for himself years prior.
Up here in Cedar Falls, he has been thought of as a SG since he started play. I don't know whether it was hoped he could be a PG, but at this point he is a SG. He has a lot of guts and mental toughness.
Fran might have "missed" on him, but he doesn't really seem to fit Fran's system as well as Jacobsen's. I think there are other players out there that are more properly called "misses." Every coach has a system and recruits for that system.
Fran has some good Iowa kids. Kriener, Pemsl, Wisecamp. Would he have them if he had other recruiting successes over the last few years?
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I think Gesell was more of a SG. I think AJ Green is more of a SG. And I'm fine with the 2-4 interchangeable players approach that Fran favors. But you can't make deep tourney runs or win BIG titles without a true PG.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
The answer is no. Wyatt is a solid player who has yet to make an all MVC team and even start on a regular basis. I fail to see how he would improve our team results these past 2 years.

We play in the B1G not the MVC. It's not an apples to apples comparison night in, night out. The strategy for success cannot be to recruit everyone UNI wants.
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There is some truth there and I don't know if he would have started for us the past 2 years. This year he certainly would.
 
lightning1 said:
I think Gesell was more of a SG. I think AJ Green is more of a SG. And I'm fine with the 2-4 interchangeable players approach that Fran favors. But you can't make deep tourney runs or win BIG titles without a true PG.
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I really can't comment on Gesell or Green.
Iowa will be an interesting team to watch this year. Should be strong at all positions except PG. That will make for interesting Xs and Os on both sides.
 
RobHowe said:
What in-state Class of '17 PG would you like them to recruit in place of Connor?
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I don't see any in '17. '15 or '16 would have been a good timw to sign a PG. we would have to settle for '18 or '19 with Conner moving to the 2/3 spot. There are better PGs than Conner, in those classes. IMO.
The fact that we couldn't get a PG to sign in those classes is most likely due to the fact that Conner was signed for '17. Players see a coaches kid coming in and they know they won't get the minutes over that kid.
 
RobHowe said:
What '15 or '16 in-state point guards would you have signed if you were Fran?
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Maybe not any in state. There have been other options out of state that he missed on. I can think of half of UNi's roster that he "missed on". Do you really want me to go back and look at those classes? Hind sight is 20/20.
All I know is there are very good options in state, in future classes that Fran has no interest in. His past recruiting failures leave us with what we have this year. And every coach has them, don't get me wrong. But he's missed an awful lot in hi
RobHowe said:
What '15 or '16 in-state point guards would you have signed if you were Fran?
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I'll get back to you on a full list of in state players Fran has missed on.
 
And I only said that there were better PGs in the 18 and 19 class. Fran missed on Ulis and Moore in back to back classes. He didn't have much of a back up plan either years.
Fran's history tells us that when the state has quality guards, he doesn't recruit them. Morgan, Washpun, Lohas. When Iowa has no D-1 guards, he misses on out of state kids Now in 2018 and 19, he's showing no interest in some of the state's best guards.
Maybe that's the bed he made for himself with his sons. It's hard to say.
 
RobHowe said:
What '15 or '16 in-state point guards would you have signed if you were Fran?
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He will keep squirming, and not answering the question, that is what he does. He criticizes, and then has nothing. Says Fran isn't recruiting the Iowa kids that he should, but can't name any he didn't offer that should be at Iowa.

The fact is Fran has about 95% of the kids he should have out of Iowa. The only ones you could say he whiffed on would be total hindsight is 50/50 type of thing.


lightning1 said:
That's going to be repeated in the future, where our PG situation is concerned. Conner better be tough as nails or we'll be right back here 4 years from now, wondering why there were better PGs from the state that went elsewhere.
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lightning1 said:
And I only said that there were better PGs in the 18 and 19 class. Fran missed on Ulis and Moore in back to back classes. He didn't have much of a back up plan either years.
Fran's history tells us that when the state has quality guards, he doesn't recruit them. Morgan, Washpun, Lohas. When Iowa has no D-1 guards, he misses on out of state kids Now in 2018 and 19, he's showing no interest in some of the state's best guards.
Maybe that's the bed he made for himself with his sons. It's hard to say.
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And once again you lie, you didn't say anything about ONLY 18' & 19' kids, you were talking about Lohaus, Waspun, Gesell, and Conner, you were clearly talking about the past as well as now.
 
I'm not clear on what you want, Lighting.

Do you not want him to go for guys like Ulis and Moore and grab the in-state guys? You really haven't given me an in-state PG in the last 2 cycles I would have jumped on instead of the guys Fran pursued.

In hindsight, Lohaus has improved enough to help here. That wasn't a given when he was coming out of HS. Fran missed on Dickerson. But he had offers from Nebraska, Arkansas, Washington St. and quite a few others. He was a JUCO AA. Lohaus was lightly recruited.

Again, it was either Jok or Morgan in that class. Would you take Morgan over Jok?

Fran had been here for a few months before Washpun committed to Tennessee. He offered the kid. He was behind because Lickliter ignored Wes.

We haven't even gotten to the '18 & '19 classes yet. And, he already has a commitment from the best player, a SG, in the '18 class. Chances are more scholarships will open for the upcoming classes.

Who are the other in-state guards in '18 & '19 you'd like to see him sign?
 
RobHowe said:
I'm not clear on what you want, Lighting.

Do you not want him to go for guys like Ulis and Moore and grab the in-state guys? You really haven't given me an in-state PG in the last 2 cycles I would have jumped on instead of the guys Fran pursued.

In hindsight, Lohaus has improved enough to help here. That wasn't a given when he was coming out of HS. Fran missed on Dickerson. But he had offers from Nebraska, Arkansas, Washington St. and quite a few others. He was a JUCO AA. Lohaus was lightly recruited.

Again, it was either Jok or Morgan in that class. Would you take Morgan over Jok?

Fran had been here for a few months before Washpun committed to Tennessee. He offered the kid. He was behind because Lickliter ignored Wes.

We haven't even gotten to the '18 & '19 classes yet. And, he already has a commitment from the best player, a SG, in the '18 class. Chances are more scholarships will open for the upcoming classes.

Who are the other in-state guards in '18 & '19 you'd like to see him sign?
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Woody - Got
Gesell - (yeah I know he wasn't in state, but close enough) Got
Ogelsby - Got
Washpun - Lost
Paige - Lost
Jok - got
Uthoff - Got eventually
Kreiner - Got
Pemsl - Got
Bohannon - Got (now everyone is complaining about him, yet we are to believe that people would have wanted Lohous, when he wasn't the recruit that even Bohannan is?)
Conner - Got
Weiscamp - Got
Patrick - Got

We have literally gotten 11 of 13 Iowa kids. We lost Paige to UNC, that is gonna happen. We lost Washpun to Tennessee because of Lick. Fran offered all the kids who made an impact at a P6 school. Outside of those kids a hindsight case could be made for Tuttle, and Morgan (Lohaus still has done nothing in his Fr. or So. years that shows he is a B1G caliber player).

We also have verbal commitments from Conner, Weiscamp and Patrick in the next 3 years coming in locking down 1 top 100 player and 2 top 50 players out of Iowa. Despite all of this, some idiots still want to criticize Fran's in state recruiting......it is unbelievable really.
 
lightning1 said:
There is some truth there and I don't know if he would have started for us the past 2 years. This year he certainly would.
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The bar should not be if he could start for us this year. It should be could he be effective against the high-level competition we will see many nights throughout the season. Looking good against Evansville does not translate to looking good against the MSU's, Wisky's, etc.
 
Fran seems to have done and continues to do well recruiting...his heart is in it. That said, the PG weakness remains a puzzle given the style of ball he likes and the critical position the PG plays in the system.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
The bar should not be if he could start for us this year. It should be could he be effective against the high-level competition we will see many nights throughout the season. Looking good against Evansville does not translate to looking good against the MSU's, Wisky's, etc.
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I think he would do just fine but it's hard to say for certain. He's tough. High basketball IQ. That can overcome a lot. Basketball is a thinking man's game. Athleticism helps but it's not everything.
 
RobHowe said:
I'm not clear on what you want, Lighting.

Do you not want him to go for guys like Ulis and Moore and grab the in-state guys? You really haven't given me an in-state PG in the last 2 cycles I would have jumped on instead of the guys Fran pursued.

In hindsight, Lohaus has improved enough to help here. That wasn't a given when he was coming out of HS. Fran missed on Dickerson. But he had offers from Nebraska, Arkansas, Washington St. and quite a few others. He was a JUCO AA. Lohaus was lightly recruited.

Again, it was either Jok or Morgan in that class. Would you take Morgan over Jok?

Fran had been here for a few months before Washpun committed to Tennessee. He offered the kid. He was behind because Lickliter ignored Wes.

We haven't even gotten to the '18 & '19 classes yet. And, he already has a commitment from the best player, a SG, in the '18 class. Chances are more scholarships will open for the upcoming classes.

Who are the other in-state guards in '18 & '19 you'd like to see him sign?
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I want him to sign a freaking PG!!!! There are good ones available in the upcoming classes and he does not recruit them! That's what I want. If he would have landed Ulis or Moore, missing on in state kids wouldn't be a big deal. But he didn't . Now he has a chance to recruit in state PGs that are quality players and he's going to miss again because he's not recruiting them. Why is this hard to understand? Look at our PG situation.
 
deanvogs said:
Woody - Got
Gesell - (yeah I know he wasn't in state, but close enough) Got
Ogelsby - Got
Washpun - Lost
Paige - Lost
Jok - got
Uthoff - Got eventually
Kreiner - Got
Pemsl - Got
Bohannon - Got (now everyone is complaining about him, yet we are to believe that people would have wanted Lohous, when he wasn't the recruit that even Bohannan is?)
Conner - Got
Weiscamp - Got
Patrick - Got

We have literally gotten 11 of 13 Iowa kids. We lost Paige to UNC, that is gonna happen. We lost Washpun to Tennessee because of Lick. Fran offered all the kids who made an impact at a P6 school. Outside of those kids a hindsight case could be made for Tuttle, and Morgan (Lohaus still has done nothing in his Fr. or So. years that shows he is a B1G caliber player).

We also have verbal commitments from Conner, Weiscamp and Patrick in the next 3 years coming in locking down 1 top 100 player and 2 top 50 players out of Iowa. Despite all of this, some idiots still want to criticize Fran's in state recruiting......it is unbelievable really.
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You left out a few but I've come to expect dishonesty from you.
 
Looking at our current PG situation is hindsight . When you miss on out of state players and some in state players are looking good, it's gonna cause you problems. It is what it is.
I happen to know there are some very good guards in the upcoming classes that Fran's " not interested" in. It makes no difference if scholarships open up or not. That ship has most likely sailed. We'll just have to wait and see how those classes turn out.
Our immediate problem is PG. What happens if Conner isn't good enough to play PG in the BIG?
I want a BIG title and that's hard to come by. It's near impossible if you don't have a quality PG.
 
lightning1 said:
I want him to sign a freaking PG!!!! There are good ones available in the upcoming classes and he does not recruit them! That's what I want. If he would have landed Ulis or Moore, missing on in state kids wouldn't be a big deal. But he didn't . Now he has a chance to recruit in state PGs that are quality players and he's going to miss again because he's not recruiting them. Why is this hard to understand? Look at our PG situation.
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What in-state PGs in the '18 and '19 classes do you want him to offer right now?
 
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