99topdawg
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Can he make it to NY in time for the game Saturday?
Would you take Klieman as head coach?
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Can he make it to NY in time for the game Saturday?
MelroseHawkins
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Yea, but don't most coaches usually come up from the ranks of a non P5 conference school or a FCS school. It isn't like all other coaches don't start at those levels. Just say'in.
MelroseHawkins
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I agree. It's a P5 school that is garners so much support from the fans and the administration. What other school has had only 2 coaches in the last 36 yrs. The university is willing to provide top notch facilities when needed. It's a good NCAA football gig. Oh, and they are willing to $$ well. I think it will really be sought out.
IAHAWK1982
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New Jersey
99topdawg
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Ah yes. I've been thinking of the trip to New York City and the Hawkeyes to the Big Apple articles/posts with regards to the HN trip. Good catch.
2 biggest things for a head coach to be able to do: Recruit and hire good assistants. What you normally see is coaches struggle after a couple of decent years when they are first hired because they lose their assistants they knew and hired. It is the area in my estimation where Kirk has really struggled. But he does eventually get rid of the assistants and goes from there. Our current resurgence was after a number of assistants left or were asked to go. now we lost the LB coach- stay tuned.
SpecialKHawk
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There's a graveyard of coaches who accomplished some great things at a lower level and/or scored a giant upset only to flame out at the power 5 level. There are some who have been successful so it's a crap shoot to project anyone.
For Kleimann at the power 5 level as others pointed out can he recruit nationally at a program like Iowa? You have to have good players and develop other overlooked players. It's a whole different animal to compete 10-11 times a year against power 5 competition than doing it once a year.
What NDSU did to Iowa goes on tape that all other future power 5 opponents would look at and game plan for. A number of those opponents will have better players than Iowa. Kleimann will have to deal with more challenges at the big boy level than he does now. Bohl has struggled to get Wyoming off the ground in his first 2 years. We'll see what happens this year. That's not even a power 5 job.
For Kleimann at the power 5 level as others pointed out can he recruit nationally at a program like Iowa? You have to have good players and develop other overlooked players. It's a whole different animal to compete 10-11 times a year against power 5 competition than doing it once a year.
What NDSU did to Iowa goes on tape that all other future power 5 opponents would look at and game plan for. A number of those opponents will have better players than Iowa. Kleimann will have to deal with more challenges at the big boy level than he does now. Bohl has struggled to get Wyoming off the ground in his first 2 years. We'll see what happens this year. That's not even a power 5 job.
trj
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Maybe he is Jerry Kill minus the epilepsy. He could take a lower tier power 5 team build it up to where they are winning 6-8 games a year. He could work at a school like Iowa St. develop a power run game be the "gimmick" in the Big 12. He seems like a guy who would love and appreciate being at ISU and the fans would love him back.
HawkeyeWalker
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When KF is ready to hang it up....5-7 years from now, I wouldn't mind there being a different AD doing the hiring.
Until then, getting a good recruiting OC, who is innovative, and has full control of the playcalling is, IMO, more imperative than anything else.
I will contend that we lost Saturday because our OC did not change anything to help his players. Yes, we had some pass protection issues and dropped passes, but the playcalling/philosophy was beyond poor....
And yes, ultimately this is on KF, he hired GD. I still say CJ was able to hide a lot of crappy playcalling last year as well.
Until then, getting a good recruiting OC, who is innovative, and has full control of the playcalling is, IMO, more imperative than anything else.
I will contend that we lost Saturday because our OC did not change anything to help his players. Yes, we had some pass protection issues and dropped passes, but the playcalling/philosophy was beyond poor....
And yes, ultimately this is on KF, he hired GD. I still say CJ was able to hide a lot of crappy playcalling last year as well.
Joshbrown
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WTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maine is FCS. Guess who coached Maine?
And using that as a comparative resume Kleiman would be a thousand times better than the current legend.
In reality I do think he would be a great hire. Would he be better than Kirk? I don't know, but I'd like to roll the dice.
CaseysPizza
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klieman makes $500k after all bonuses/camps etc in FARGO. He isnt taking a coordinators job although he is Iowan thru & thru.
Bohl left 1 year too early from NDSU to get a P5 job, but he had land in wyoming and got $3 million over 4 years or something like that.
Bohl left 1 year too early from NDSU to get a P5 job, but he had land in wyoming and got $3 million over 4 years or something like that.
AreWeThereYet
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I don't know why some of you have this notion that Brian Ferentz is being groomed to be the next Iowa coach. I fully expect BF to move on in a couple of years as either an NFL offensive line coach or more likely a college job where there is a pathway up.
Can he recruit? Because if he can't bring in to 10 recruiting classes year after year. He will fare no better than KF in winning the BIG much less the NC. Lots of great coaching minds out there. They just can't get the players needed to help them prove it.
Oh yeah, being able to circumvent the rules without getting caught can help too. And when you do get caught you have to be able to suck up to the NCAA and impose some BS penalties on yourself to make yourself look good.
Oh yeah, being able to circumvent the rules without getting caught can help too. And when you do get caught you have to be able to suck up to the NCAA and impose some BS penalties on yourself to make yourself look good.
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deanvogs
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Most Coordinator jobs now will pay that much. Iowa is paying $600,000 and that is BEFORE bonuses.
If I were Klieman, and if my goal was a good FBS job, I would absolutely go and take a DC job somewhere (not saying Iowa, just anywhere really). If Klieman had that on his resume along with what he has done at NDSU, he could probably get a P5 head coaching job somewhere. Otherwise he is going to be regulated to the MAC or MWC as his starting off point. I suppose there is nothing wrong with either, but I think he needs to get his feet wet recruiting and coaching against fellow P5's if that is his ultimate goal.
This isn't meant as a slight, it is just that most P5 schools want to see some success at the FBS/Pro level, as at least an assistant coach.
MelroseHawkins
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Right now, (past few recruiting classes), Iowa and NDSU pretty much recruited the same kind of talent with many 3* players. Klieman outcoached Iowa and their staff last Saturday and held Iowa to one of its lowest rushing outputs in recent history. They schemed and Klieman put his players in a position to win. KF did not last Saturday. It would AT LEAST be a push at this point, and you're rolling the dice that Klieman may bring a little more upside, especially if could improve recruiting to Iowa at that level.
I'm telling you, my neighbor who played with Klieman and Farley on the same D told me two years ago Klieman is a football genius. I personally think there is a great future for this coach somewhere.
I am aware of Coach Ferentz's background, but that is also just a single example. As others have pointed out, there are many flame outs along the way as well.
Well "if" a giant asteroid collides with Earth in 3 years we won't have to worry about this "if" occurring.
