Wisconsin just did EXACTLY what Iowa should have last week

[RocknRollface]

I used to think that, but that would mean Iowa would do something different. They don't do anything different.

I think he's so conservative he doesn't want to "show" a regular play action pass unless he absolutely has to and so stubborn he thinks you should be able to "execute" in the run game no matter the number of defenders in the box.

 

[MoseSchrute]

Wise guys over/under: 8.5 wins

Big Ten blog projection: Nine wins. We're bullish on the Hawkeyes, and the schedule is only a small reason why. The offensive line has a chance to be the best in the league and Ferentz staples -- the running game and defense -- should be stout. Iowa seems to be adding some much-needed explosiveness at wide receiver, though more work remains. Rudock should improve at quarterback after a year of experience. A 9-3 regular season is extremely attainable, and there's a great chance this team can exceed that and win the West Division.




http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/104781/iowa-hawkeyes-season-preview

Ah, those Halcyon days when we had crazy expectations for a good o-line, good running game, improved set of receivers that would be utilized, and an improving qb. Yeoman Kirk certainly showed us! Now our defense even sucks, too.

 

[STILLBUSTER]

Let me ask you this… Has Wisconsin turned the ball over after getting a drive going? Have they fumbled at midfield? Has their special-teams turned it over after the defense forced a 3 & out?

I, like many of you, wish we would have pounded the rock a lot more last weekend. But let's be honest with ourselves, we had just as many mistakes that killed our chances as it was poor playcalling by GDGD.

Sure, plenty of mistakes. Thing is, good coaches recognize opportunities to exploit the opponent's weakness and attack it with what's working, in an attempt to overcome those mistakes. They develop counter strategies based on how the game progresses.

The Corporal & Davus went into panic mode and completely abandoned what was successful / would have worked had they simply put effort into competent preparation and been paying attention -- not only to the opponent but to their own team's capabilities.

 

[seepig]

Look folks the evidence is in Poor recruiting, poor game management, kids that can't execute an offense that requires..NO demands big plays and Kirk's refusal to modify things to put kids in a position to win all add up to an impending dumpster fire. He may not go down like Hayden did getting beat by 50 by Goldy Gopher but we are not much better than we were in Hayden's twilight days. I mean we steal kids commited to Eastern Michigan!

 

[Eda]

Sure, plenty of mistakes. Thing is, good coaches recognize opportunities to exploit the opponent's weakness and attack it with what's working, in an attempt to overcome those mistakes. They develop counter strategies based on how the game progresses.

The Corporal & Davus went into panic mode and completely abandoned what was successful / would have worked had they simply put effort into competent preparation and been paying attention -- not only to the opponent but to their own team's capabilities.

Your (and many others) desire to place this solely on the coaches is incredible. The coaches made many blunders in this game. Abandoning the run game was certainly the biggest. However after going down by 17 they had no choice but to throw it. Had they stayed with the run to start the 4th quarter we'd likely be sitting here singing GDGD's praises (tongue and cheek). They didn't, and we went down big, and had to throw the ball.

With thy all that being said... The PLAYERS fumbled. The PLAYERS missed blocks/gave up sacks. The PLAYERS committed penalties. The PLAYERS took poor angles/couldn't tackle/gave up the edge/made CJ Brown look like an all-star. The PLAYERS share the blame of this loss.

Do yourself a favor and step outside your hatred for KirFer for one second and give it an objective look. You'll see things in a completely different light.

 

[eveningnewsteam]

Iowa is nowhere close to a good team and it's due to coaching, Iowa is very poorly coached. Anybody that loses to a bad Iowa State team at home and takes a miracle to beat a bad Ball State team at home is not a good team.

 

[Golfer]

^

Sadly correct up to this point of the season. The sooner we admit and accept this, the sooner we will be set free. I talked about this in my sermon today. LULZ.

 

[83Hawk]

Your (and many others) desire to place this solely on the coaches is incredible. The coaches made many blunders in this game. Abandoning the run game was certainly the biggest. However after going down by 17 they had no choice but to throw it. Had they stayed with the run to start the 4th quarter we'd likely be sitting here singing GDGD's praises (tongue and cheek). They didn't, and we went down big, and had to throw the ball.

With thy all that being said... The PLAYERS fumbled. The PLAYERS missed blocks/gave up sacks. The PLAYERS committed penalties. The PLAYERS took poor angles/couldn't tackle/gave up the edge/made CJ Brown look like an all-star. The PLAYERS share the blame of this loss.

Do yourself a favor and step outside your hatred for KirFer for one second and give it an objective look. You'll see things in a completely different light.

Pretty despicable to throw the players under the bus, IMO.

Who recruited these players? Who is responsible for teaching and developing them? Who is responsible for the game plan each week?

 

[MoseSchrute]

Your (and many others) desire to place this solely on the coaches is incredible. The coaches made many blunders in this game. Abandoning the run game was certainly the biggest. However after going down by 17 they had no choice but to throw it. Had they stayed with the run to start the 4th quarter we'd likely be sitting here singing GDGD's praises (tongue and cheek). They didn't, and we went down big, and had to throw the ball.

With thy all that being said... The PLAYERS fumbled. The PLAYERS missed blocks/gave up sacks. The PLAYERS committed penalties. The PLAYERS took poor angles/couldn't tackle/gave up the edge/made CJ Brown look like an all-star. The PLAYERS share the blame of this loss.

Do yourself a favor and step outside your hatred for KirFer for one second and give it an objective look. You'll see things in a completely different light.

Allowing the opposing qb to have an all-star day seems to happen way too often with Iowa. Why is that?

 

[Eda]

Pretty despicable to throw the players under the bus, IMO.

Who recruited these players? Who is responsible for teaching and developing them? Who is responsible for the game plan each week?

So the players shouldn't bare any responsibility for a poor performance? I imagine they'll be the first ones to admit it (and they have plenty of times). If it were not true, then it would be "pretty despicable".

If you can watch that game and not identify many mistakes and examples of poor execution by the players, as well as coaching blunders; than not only do I question your football IQ, but I also wonder why I continue to try to explain it to you.

 

[Eda]

Allowing the opposing qb to have an all-star day seems to happen way too often with Iowa. Why is that?

That is the $64,000 question. Iowa has typically struggled often against decent/good/great dual threat QB's (ie. Persa, B.Miller, Pryor, Brown, Voytik, Richardson, etc). However, we have been good vs 1 dimensional QB's (ie. Denard Robinson, Stave, Colter, Simeon, Jennings, etc). Some of it is schematics and some of it is exectuion. Last Saturday was a good example of that.

 

[gohawkz]

Pretty despicable to throw the players under the bus, IMO.

Who recruited these players? Who is responsible for teaching and developing them? Who is responsible for the game plan each week?

Wow, exactly. In my opinion it's very wrong to badmouth players to deflect from the coaches failures. It's the responsibility of the coach to have the players prepared to play on Saturday. If the players don't play well either the coaches didn't have them properly prepared or they are just not good enough to play at this level. In that case the coach did not do a good enough job while recruiting. Either way, it's on the coaches.

Or maybe coaches of the top teams just get really lucky and their players decide to play well week after week.

 

[83Hawk]

So the players shouldn't bare any responsibility for a poor performance? I imagine they'll be the first ones to admit it (and they have plenty of times). If it were not true, then it would be "pretty despicable".

If you can watch that game and not identify many mistakes and examples of poor execution by the players, as well as coaching blunders; than not only do I question your football IQ, but I also wonder why I continue to try to explain it to you.

Read gohawkz post. It might raise YOUR football IQ.

 

[uihawk82]

That is the $64,000 question. Iowa has typically struggled often against decent/good/great dual threat QB's (ie. Persa, B.Miller, Pryor, Brown, Voytik, Richardson, etc). However, we have been good vs 1 dimensional QB's (ie. Denard Robinson, Stave, Colter, Simeon, Jennings, etc). Some of it is schematics and some of it is exectuion. Last Saturday was a good example of that.

Against dual threat QBs the hawk defense doesnt have the speed overall to cover all the options, b miller and t pryor are two good examples, as well as making some jNW qbs look like all americans.

Persa. miller and some of these other QBs are faster than about everyone we have on defense.

People need to figure out we are slower than average and usually are slow. Hard to make up for mistakes, bad angles, being juked when you dont have the speed to recover.

We know the coaches usually get guys on the field who have the strength and technique but many times not the speed.

We would look like stuck in mud against Auburn, we did for the most part in the bowl game against LSU.

And this is a big 10 problem also except for a couple of teams.

Our offense isnt fast either. That is why I want to see CJ play more to bring some running speed to QB position.

 

[RocknRollface]

Against dual threat QBs the hawk defense doesnt have the speed overall to cover all the options, b miller and t pryor are two good examples, as well as making some jNW qbs look like all americans.

Persa. miller and some of these other QBs are faster than about everyone we have on defense.

People need to figure out we are slower than average and usually are slow. Hard to make up for mistakes, bad angles, being juked when you dont have the speed to recover.

We know the coaches usually get guys on the field who have the strength and technique but many times not the speed.

We would look like stuck in mud against Auburn, we did for the most part in the bowl game against LSU.

And this is a big 10 problem also except for a couple of teams.

Our offense isnt fast either. That is why I want to see CJ play more to bring some running speed to QB position.

You think iowa was slow when Dan Persa and Pryor were on the field?

didnt

 

[RocknRollface]

Against dual threat QBs the hawk defense doesnt have the speed overall to cover all the options, b miller and t pryor are two good examples, as well as making some jNW qbs look like all americans.

Persa. miller and some of these other QBs are faster than about everyone we have on defense.

People need to figure out we are slower than average and usually are slow. Hard to make up for mistakes, bad angles, being juked when you dont have the speed to recover.

We know the coaches usually get guys on the field who have the strength and technique but many times not the speed.

We would look like stuck in mud against Auburn, we did for the most part in the bowl game against LSU.

And this is a big 10 problem also except for a couple of teams.

Our offense isnt fast either. That is why I want to see CJ play more to bring some running speed to QB position.

Iowa may be slow on D now but you think iowa was slow when Dan Persa and Pryor were on the field? Seriously?

didnt pretty much everyone from those hawk defenses play in the nfl?

Of course no one on the defense out side of maybe a secondary player or two is going to be as fast as Pryor.

Front 7 guys aren't ever going to be that fast.

 

[Eda]

Against dual threat QBs the hawk defense doesnt have the speed overall to cover all the options, b miller and t pryor are two good examples, as well as making some jNW qbs look like all americans.

Persa. miller and some of these other QBs are faster than about everyone we have on defense.

People need to figure out we are slower than average and usually are slow. Hard to make up for mistakes, bad angles, being juked when you dont have the speed to recover.

We know the coaches usually get guys on the field who have the strength and technique but many times not the speed.

We would look like stuck in mud against Auburn, we did for the most part in the bowl game against LSU.

And this is a big 10 problem also except for a couple of teams.

Our offense isnt fast either. That is why I want to see CJ play more to bring some running speed to QB position.

Against good dual threat quarterback's we have struggled. If they can throw the ball well AND run, we have difficulty with them. However, just a speedy quarterback is a whole other story. Take Denard Robinson for example. The guy was fast and elusive. He tore up many teams with his athletic ability. Iowa was not one of them. He couldn't throw very well, and the Hawks contained him the best that anyone had. Playing good sound fundamental football, maintaining leverage, taking proper angles, and tackling is how you do it. Simply having speed alone won't beat Iowa when we play sound assignment football.

(As as for your point to LSU beating us with their speed... I'd say it was probably more their running back was a friggin' beast rather than the speed)

 

[Eda]

Wow, exactly. In my opinion it's very wrong to badmouth players to deflect from the coaches failures. It's the responsibility of the coach to have the players prepared to play on Saturday. If the players don't play well either the coaches didn't have them properly prepared or they are just not good enough to play at this level. In that case the coach did not do a good enough job while recruiting. Either way, it's on the coaches.

Or maybe coaches of the top teams just get really lucky and their players decide to play well week after week.

Dafuq did I just read!

So your stance is that it is never ever never ever never ever the players fault. Always the coaches fault, regardless.

Okay, got it.

 

[STILLBUSTER]

Your (and many others) desire to place this solely on the coaches is incredible. The coaches made many blunders in this game. Abandoning the run game was certainly the biggest. However after going down by 17 they had no choice but to throw it. Had they stayed with the run to start the 4th quarter we'd likely be sitting here singing GDGD's praises (tongue and cheek). They didn't, and we went down big, and had to throw the ball.

With thy all that being said... The PLAYERS fumbled. The PLAYERS missed blocks/gave up sacks. The PLAYERS committed penalties. The PLAYERS took poor angles/couldn't tackle/gave up the edge/made CJ Brown look like an all-star. The PLAYERS share the blame of this loss.

Do yourself a favor and step outside your hatred for KirFer for one second and give it an objective look. You'll see things in a completely different light.

Objectively, KirkFer / Davus abandoned the run, long before being down 17. Even after the fumbles, penalties, poor tackling, etc, Hawks still had gobs of time and opportunities to overcome those mistakes and still win the football game had the coaches chosen the strategy to continue to run the ball. In other words, good coaches would have seen the opportunity to put their team in a position to win in spite of the players' mistakes by having them execute a game plan that continued to maximize their success and attack the opponent's weakness, namely, the rush.

From the time Iowa fell behind, 17-14, at the 6:47 mark of the 2nd quarter to the 1:46 mark of the 3rd quarter, Iowa ran 14 rushing plays for 110 yards and 1 TD (which put the game at 24-21); during that same stretch, the ran 25 passing plays (6 for 25 for 35 yards).

From that point on, in a 3-point game, it was about 90% pass:run ratio. It was the pass -- the pick=6 -- that stretched it to a 10 point deficit. It was 7 consecutive pass attempts over the next 2 3 & out drives, that allowed the deficit to stretch to 17 points. The only reason the game got to a 17-point deficit is because the coaches fvcked over their team with a terrible strategy that put them in that position! They didn't need to choose that strategy because the game was out of hand. They didn't need to choose that strategy because of the players' mistakes up to that point.

Listen, Mary, I don't hate KirkFer. Don't know him personally, therefore cannot hate him. However, not suprised you tried that tactic; it's like you Pollys' "race card".

I acknowledge the players' mistakes but, even in spite of them, Iowa was still in a position to win the game. From there, it is (and was) on the coaches (as it has been so frequently since the mid-2000's). For whatever personal reasons you have, you just can't objectively place the appropriate blame where it belongs.

 

[Eda]

Objectively, KirkFer / Davus abandoned the run, long before being down 17. Even after the fumbles, penalties, poor tackling, etc, Hawks still had gobs of time and opportunities to overcome those mistakes and still win the football game had the coaches chosen the strategy to continue to run the ball. In other words, good coaches would have seen the opportunity to put their team in a position to win in spite of the players' mistakes by having them execute a game plan that continued to maximize their success and attack the opponent's weakness, namely, the rush.

From the time Iowa fell behind, 17-14, at the 6:47 mark of the 2nd quarter to the 1:46 mark of the 3rd quarter, Iowa ran 14 rushing plays for 110 yards and 1 TD (which put the game at 24-21); during that same stretch, the ran 25 passing plays (6 for 25 for 35 yards).

From that point on, in a 3-point game, it was about 90% pass:run ratio. It was the pass -- the pick=6 -- that stretched it to a 10 point deficit. It was 7 consecutive pass attempts over the next 2 3 & out drives, that allowed the deficit to stretch to 17 points. The only reason the game got to a 17-point deficit is because the coaches fvcked over their team with a terrible strategy that put them in that position! They didn't need to choose that strategy because the game was out of hand. They didn't need to choose that strategy because of the players' mistakes up to that point.

Listen, Mary, I don't hate KirkFer. Don't know him personally, therefore cannot hate him. However, not suprised you tried that tactic; it's like you Pollys' "race card".

I acknowledge the players' mistakes but, even in spite of them, Iowa was still in a position to win the game. From there, it is (and was) on the coaches (as it has been so frequently since the mid-2000's). For whatever personal reasons you have, you just can't objectively place the appropriate blame where it belongs.

In a previous post into this thread I said the coaches share some of the blame. I also said they abandoned the run game too early.

My post that you quoted was in response to somebody saying it was all on the coaches. I disagree with that. The coaches veered away from the run… That's how they share the blame. The players didn't execute on offense or defense… that's how they share the blame.

So let me say it again… The coaches and the players share the blame in this loss.