Fryowa
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The only reason I watch the draft show is to see Gruden give Mel Kiper the stink eye and tell him how full of shit he is.
Will Wadley be back?
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This is certainly an angle to consider. But the other side is with not just rbs but all players with NFL aspirations is as short of careers that they have the sooner they start the sooner they get to the 2nd contract. I think the later round players get shorter contracts than the higher ones and can reach it faster. I think the higher rounders get 4 yr deals with an option for 5th. Or maybe it's 3 with 4th yr option. I can't remember. But if your a 6th rounder that turns into a superstar like say Antonio Brown. The faster he got through his rookie deal the sooner he was able to get a big deal. But yeah he didn't make so much his first 2 or 3 yrs. The hardest things to me are gauging the value of time and risk of injury and just plain if your going to be any good or not. An extra year in college only helps you if your going to significantly spike your value. Or if your getting a degree you plan on using of course. In Wadleys case I'm not so sure if an extra year would spike his value a ton. He might be a 5th roundish draft pick this year right? Maybe 4th tops. If he comes back and does great but is still 190-200lbs he'd still be a 2nd to 3rd round pick at best right? Not so sure that's enough of a spike to come back and hope for... I dunno just me thinking out loudI think Wadley would make a mistake if he goes to the NFL. Most RB, heck most players average less than 3 years in the NFL. If he comes out this year and is a 4th round or worse draft pick he doesn't get hardly any guaranteed money. Since on average a NFL player plays less than 3 years, odds say he won't get to sign another contract. You need to make sure you are in the top 3 rounds of the NFL drafts if you are a RB. It makes no sense to come out early to just be a 5th/6th round pick which is the absolute best Wadley could hope for right now.
Bahahahaha.....yeah, KF doesn't know ANYTHING about offense besides O-line, lol....You're a 'Homer' alright, lol....Here's KF's phone number ( 319-335-8943) ....why don't you 'fill him in' on offense....Bahahahaha.....Where do you freakin 'crazies' come from???
Why do you write as if Wadley was glued to the bench the entire season? He led the team in total yards and in TDs. In the highest leverage games (those within 2 scores), he led the team in touches per game, averaging 3 more per game than Daniels. Do you think he really should have been carrying the ball more in our blowout wins? You do remember that he got hurt running out the clock in the 4th quarter of a blowout win vs. ISU, right? Perhaps the coaches got a bit more careful with their most valuable offensive weapon in low-leverage situations after that.
Many act as if the coaching staff has done nothing but impede the progress of Wadley at every step of the way. The lion's share of the credit for Wadley's ascendance needs to be attributed to the young man who has put in the work and effort to become an All-B1G caliber player. But don't you think the coaches' high standards of professionalism and work ethic and their insistence that Wadley toe the line with regard to weightroom/training table/weight maintenance have all enhanced his progression more than impeded it?
HomerChampless
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I'm an Iowa homer not a KF apologist.
He should probably catch about 40 more than that, and have 10 more attempts per game. I'm surprised he's that highly rated by Mel, though. We're talking third or fourth round.
He should go. Next year's team isn't going anywhere, and he won't be featured enough here to win even 1st team All-Big ten honors next year. He's not Kirk's type of back.
Jewell too. Staying increases the risk of injury with no paycheck.
Depends on what round he is projected at. If he is in the first 3 rounds I would say go. If not, he should stay. I don't think he needs to worry about size because he isn't going to be an every down back. He will be a 3rd down back type, a RB you can put out in the slot etc.
If the #5 RB evaluation is legit, then historically he would go late 2nd round through 3rd round. Can't blame him one bit for opening that door if he so chooses.
HawkGold
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overreact to ost: 1562404 said:
1. Why overeact to what I said and come off as an apologist?
2. Enough said with only 3 more touches.He should have had more. He should have been starting.
3. Why are starter, especially key players running out the clock in blow out wins over ISU? Remember how A Rob was hurt?
4. Coaches oft do impede players. KF appears to be a coach who likes players to do exactly what they are told. Wadley is a creative player who figures things out as the game moves along. More touches, the better he is.
5. Careful with offensive weapons? If that were the case, Iowa would have a vertical passing game of relevance (before you jump to conclusions, I am not dissing CJ. The guy is hurt and all one has to do is watch his motion and strength from 15 to 16.
6. If you want to criticize me, it should be for our disagreement on the consistent professionalism and work ethic of the staff.
I don't really think I overreacted to anything you wrote. You said the coaches were an obstacle to his development. You then said, "KF never ceases to amaze me", and you provided a bunch of hypothetical and ridiculous (hyperbolic, of course) excuses that KF would use to keep Wadley off the field. You also stated that Wadley might choose to go to the NFL to a team that would "actually use him."
You are clearly implying that the coaches have not helped his development, but hindered it. You are also implying that the coaches did not "use" our team leader in total offense and TDs. I just think those are ridiculous assertions. Many of the other points you bring up in your retort are valid.
Here is another way to look at it.
Akrum Wadley arrived on campus as an undersized, 2-star recruit with his only other DI offer being from Temple. After 3.5 years on campus, he is considered by at least one draft expert to be the #5 draft eligible RB in the country. What about that progression would lead you to think he has been hindered by the coaches while here?
Also, what is the general impression NFL personnel people have of Iowa players? Mature, technically sound, and coachable. There is a reason Iowa places players in the NFL well beyond what would be predicted by their recruiting rankings. How could Wadley acquiring these traits in his time here hurt him?
Akrum Wadley arrived on campus as an undersized, 2-star recruit with his only other DI offer being from Temple. After 3.5 years on campus, he is considered by at least one draft expert to be the #5 draft eligible RB in the country. What about that progression would lead you to think he has been hindered by the coaches while here?
Also, what is the general impression NFL personnel people have of Iowa players? Mature, technically sound, and coachable. There is a reason Iowa places players in the NFL well beyond what would be predicted by their recruiting rankings. How could Wadley acquiring these traits in his time here hurt him?
HawkGold
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I am stating that he should get/have gotten more touches. His results likely would have been better. The guy is flat out good. KF is a coach that wants close followers. Other coaches prefer flair and creativity. Wadley would fit better with the latter. If you watch him he oft doesn't follow where he is supposed to go, but figures out where he should go, sometimes making mistakes. Sometimes for big pay off. That is not the kids of coach KF is and that really isn't debatable.
deanvogs
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The goal with Wadley all along is 190 lbs. KF and staff understand the NFL is all about "measurables". That means weight matter to the NFL at the RB position. The "ideal" NFL RB is 215-230 lbs. Some backs can play at that 200-215lbs level a Jamal Charles, McCoy, Bush.
When you get below 200 lbs you are looking at "specialty" back, a Woodhead and Roger are 200 lbs. You have a Sproles that is 190 lbs., but who else plays between 190-200 lbs??
That brings us to Wadley who hovered around 175-180 lbs during the season. If he shows up at the combine and weighs in at 180 lbs he ain't getting drafted, period, end of story. RB are a dime a dozen, and nobody is gonna spend any draft pick on a guy they don't think will be physically big enough to run the ball.
Oh, and LOL to anyone who takes Kipers rankings seriously. Dude is a jock sniffing hack, always has been, always will be.
Fryowa
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Where's the "Love" button on this thing?
deanvogs
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Gold, I love you and all, and you know that. Yet how can you say if Wadley gets more carries he does even better. If Wadley had to take all the 3rd and short carries and all the carries inside the 3 yard line during the games, this would have crushed his YPC average. He didn't have to take those carries where you get 0, 1, or at most 2 yards.
Let's say that Wadley just has 10 more of those types of carries and he gets 20 yards in them (pretty good vs stacked boxes on short yardage). That would move his YPC average from 6.1 to 5.8. That isn't even close to as many short yard carries that Daniels had. He probably had 3-5 of those carries a game.
RB can go anywhere they choose. The problem is if they bounce an inside play outside too early they leave the OL exposed to holding calls. That is the only thing he needs to worry about. You can still take a play outside, just do it after the LOS. Look at the Michigan run where he broke Peppers ankles and then broke outside for 20 yards. That was a perfect run and doesn't expose the OL to a holding call. If you think this isn't what all RB are coached, then LTG, because there is a reason inside runs should go inside and outside runs should go outside.
HawkGold
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Gold, I love you and all, and you know that. Yet how can you say if Wadley gets more carries he does even better. If Wadley had to take all the 3rd and short carries and all the carries inside the 3 yard line during the games, this would have crushed his YPC average. He didn't have to take those carries where you get 0, 1, or at most 2 yards.
Let's say that Wadley just has 10 more of those types of carries and he gets 20 yards in them (pretty good vs stacked boxes on short yardage). That would move his YPC average from 6.1 to 5.8. That isn't even close to as many short yard carries that Daniels had. He probably had 3-5 of those carries a game.
RB can go anywhere they choose. The problem is if they bounce an inside play outside too early they leave the OL exposed to holding calls. That is the only thing he needs to worry about. You can still take a play outside, just do it after the LOS. Look at the Michigan run where he broke Peppers ankles and then broke outside for 20 yards. That was a perfect run and doesn't expose the OL to a holding call. If you think this isn't what all RB are coached, then LTG, because there is a reason inside runs should go inside and outside runs should go outside.
Don't disagree with anything you say. I do think that KF has his best years when he has a maverick star who he triend to corral and couldn't but had to go with them...begrudgingly. Stanzi, Banks, Tate, maybe Wadley. The guy jumped over Rob. Hope KF didn't see that.
He needed just to go mainly with him. Hopefully next year he will. I don't think he does things to avoid injuries though. Otherwise playing CJ late with some lead would be highly dangerous this year.
I think at 180-185ish he'd still get drafted. Just 5th round or lower. But I agree that a player at that size can't be a bell cow in the NFL so the value isn't there. No NFL coach would give him 20 touches a game. They just wouldn't. He is an explosive versatile playmaker though. So ten touches or so wouldn't be crazy at all but what's the value in that? It varies team to team and how they run their offense. Look at TN they have the Heisman winning 1st round back Henry as their #2 back and he hardly gets on the field behind Murray. I don't think he's had 10 touches in a game yet. Some teams use 3 backs a lot so it just depends on where ya go But the difference between being a 5th rounder and 1st rounder is about 15 lbs for him...
Just saying something isn't debatable does not make it true. If Coach Ferentz does not want players like Wadley, why did Wadley lead the team in offense this year? Why was he leaned upon heavily in the most important games? Those are 2 pieces of information that support Wadley being the type of player Coach Ferentz likes. What are you using to support your (non-debatable) statement?
