Why Iowa ties are important

[LG210]

That's a rather myopic view.

This thread is getting weird. His view seems well considered and not myopic at all. Simply because you have reached a conclusion does not mean that your thought process was myopic.

 

[LG210]

Once again, you're wrong. I initially thought you were just a smart azz that liked to add some humor to a post but I've now come to realize that you just don't get it.

Whether the next coach has ties to Iowa or not really makes no difference. It's whether he is a good recruiter and a good coach that is going to make the difference.

RMK had no ties to the state of Indiana, born in Ohio, played Ohio St, coached at Army.
Krzyzewski - had no ties to Duke, born in Illinois, played at Army, coach in Indiana and then Army before going to Duke
Bill Self had no ties to Kansas, he was born in OK, went to OK state
Roy Williams has ties to North Carolina (born in the state) but it took him 15 years of head coaching before he got his chance.
John Calipari has no ties to KY. He was born in PA and played ball a UNC-Wilmington and Clarion and he wasn't that good.

I would probably rate all 5 of those coaches as the best that there have been in the past 40 years and only one had any remote ties to the program that they are currently leading.

Ties have nothing to do in your success but they sure as he!! can be a crutch for mediocrity. So what if Keno went to high school in Iowa City. He only lived there from Soph. year on. So what if he sat on the bench holding a clipboard and a water bottle. I could care less if his dad was our coach...look at what RMK's kid has done at Texas Tech. He is on the hot seat.

Ties are just something that those of you that want Keno as our coach are trying to use.

I would think the more ties they have the more likely they are to stay our coach after they have success. Although a person without ties could definitely have success, an equally successful coach with more ties is less likely to leave for another school where they can have even more success (think Roy Williams and Kansas/UNC).

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Once again, you're wrong. I initially thought you were just a smart azz that liked to add some humor to a post but I've now come to realize that you just don't get it.

Whether the next coach has ties to Iowa or not really makes no difference. It's whether he is a good recruiter and a good coach that is going to make the difference.

RMK had no ties to the state of Indiana, born in Ohio, played Ohio St, coached at Army.
Krzyzewski - had no ties to Duke, born in Illinois, played at Army, coach in Indiana and then Army before going to Duke
Bill Self had no ties to Kansas, he was born in OK, went to OK state
Roy Williams has ties to North Carolina (born in the state) but it took him 15 years of head coaching before he got his chance.
John Calipari has no ties to KY. He was born in PA and played ball a UNC-Wilmington and Clarion and he wasn't that good.

I would probably rate all 5 of those coaches as the best that there have been in the past 40 years and only one had any remote ties to the program that they are currently leading.

Ties have nothing to do in your success but they sure as he!! can be a crutch for mediocrity. So what if Keno went to high school in Iowa City. He only lived there from Soph. year on. So what if he sat on the bench holding a clipboard and a water bottle. I could care less if his dad was our coach...look at what RMK's kid has done at Texas Tech. He is on the hot seat.

Ties are just something that those of you that want Keno as our coach are trying to use.

Self, Williams and Calipari all were top coaches when they were hired by three of the top 5 programs in the country. How does this relate to Iowa hiring a coach? Kansas, Kentucky, and UNC are jobs almost every coach would love to have, do you really think Iowa is on the same level as those jobs?

 

[GhostofBTT]

Once again, you're wrong. I initially thought you were just a smart azz that liked to add some humor to a post but I've now come to realize that you just don't get it.

Whether the next coach has ties to Iowa or not really makes no difference. It's whether he is a good recruiter and a good coach that is going to make the difference.

You just havn't been paying attention to what I have been saying. I have clarified my original statements, because I admit it sounded a little obtuse.

I do not think we have to hire a guy who is from Iowa! I don't. I never said we should. I regret some of my previous phrasing implying that I do.

What I mean is that it is important to get a coach who can embrace the state, and whom the fans will be able to embrace. In the past 30 years, we have had one coach who embraced that state and was embraced by it.

I am sure that a good coach and good recruiter will be embraced by the fans. Will he embrace them though? Lute didn't. Raveling didn't. We need to find a coach that will, or else we will be looking for another coach in 5 years. It's hard to build when you keep changing coaches.

 

[hawkeye12345]

And let me add one more thing and then I'm done with any response regarding Keno.

Mr. Davis Davis had NO ties to Iowa City prior to his arrival in 1986. He was born in Wisconsin, earned his bachelors and masters in Wisconsin and his doctorate in Maryland. He started coaching at Lafayette then went on to Boston College and then to Stanford before arriving at Iowa.

If Mr. Davis had no ties to the city and was successful (see also Lute Olson and George Raveling) then why in sam he!! would it matter that our next coach has ties?

Olson is a native of ND and never coached in Iowa prior to being our head coach.

George Raveling had no ties to Iowa what-so-ever prior to being our head basketball coach.

Please give this Keno Davis thing a rest.

 

[FreddyBrown]

What I mean is that it is important to get a coach who can embrace the state, and whom the fans will be able to embrace.

Congratulations. After all of that, you've modified and distilled it all into something that is fairly self-evident.

 

[GhostofBTT]

And let me add one more thing and then I'm done with any response regarding Keno.

Mr. Davis Davis had NO ties to Iowa City prior to his arrival in 1986. He was born in Wisconsin, earned his bachelors and masters in Wisconsin and his doctorate in Maryland. He started coaching at Lafayette then went on to Boston College and then to Stanford before arriving at Iowa.

If Mr. Davis had no ties to the city and was successful (see also Lute Olson and George Raveling) then why in sam he!! would it matter that our next coach has ties?

Olson is a native of ND and never coached in Iowa prior to being our head coach.

George Raveling had no ties to Iowa what-so-ever prior to being our head basketball coach.

Please give this Keno Davis thing a rest.

As far as I can tell, no one in this thread has been praising Keno. I never have.

However, you are kind of making my point for me. Olson and Raveling were not "Iowa Guys", they did not embrace the community, and they left Iowa for other schools. Mr. Davis was not from Iowa, but he understood Iowa, and loved Iowa as much as we loved him. Olson left for AZ suddenly, while Mr. Davis kept living in IC even after we fired him.

 

[hawkeye12345]

Self, Williams and Calipari all were top coaches when they were hired by three of the top 5 programs in the country. How does this relate to Iowa hiring a coach? Kansas, Kentucky, and UNC are jobs almost every coach would love to have, do you really think Iowa is on the same level as those jobs?

Ask Kentucky what Billy Donovan said about their opening. He turned them down before they offered Gillispie. There were a few other names as well that didn't want the job. Ask Indiana if Crean was their top choice or if Sampson was their top candidate initially. Same goes for Kansas and Self. Every program has the potential of being turned down. If you offer enough money and the right incentives people will listen. We may not get Pearl but why settle for an unproven coach?

 

[clicheusername3]

Ask Kentucky what Billy Donovan said about their opening. He turned them down before they offered Gillispie. There were a few other names as well that didn't want the job. Ask Indiana if Crean was their top choice or if Sampson was their top candidate initially. Same goes for Kansas and Self. Every program has the potential of being turned down. If you offer enough money and the right incentives people will listen. We may not get Pearl but why settle for an unproven coach?

Because you are running pretty low on options of proven coaches past Pearl unless you want to go mid-major again.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Ask Kentucky what Billy Donovan said about their opening. He turned them down before they offered Gillispie. There were a few other names as well that didn't want the job. Ask Indiana if Crean was their top choice or if Sampson was their top candidate initially. Same goes for Kansas and Self. Every program has the potential of being turned down. If you offer enough money and the right incentives people will listen. We may not get Pearl but why settle for an unproven coach?

So a coach who had just won back to back titles at his school decided to stay there? Weird. Who was Kansas top choice then if it wasn't Self? And I never said we needed an unproven coach, but we're not going to get a coach to leave a program like Kansas or Illinois to come to Iowa.

 

[hawkeye12345]

As far as I can tell, no one in this thread has been praising Keno. I never have.

However, you are kind of making my point for me. Olson and Raveling were not "Iowa Guys", they did not embrace the community, and they left Iowa for other schools. Mr. Davis was not from Iowa, but he understood Iowa, and loved Iowa as much as we loved him. Olson left for AZ suddenly, while Mr. Davis kept living in IC even after we fired him.

What is there to understand about Iowa? Its cold in the winter, humid in the summer, a lot of white people walking around saying 'bye now' and there is a he!! of a lot of corn, beans, pigs and cattle on the outskirts of major cities. But above all of that, we have no professional sports teams to cheer for so the need for Iowa to be relevant is ultimately important. If you build it, they will come.

Also - Mr. Davis semi-retired from BB where as Lute continued to coach for another few decades. Maybe a difference? I don't know.

 

[ebdad]

I think more important than a tie to Iowa is that the new coach be an "Iowa person". By that I mean someone who is genuine, honest, self effacing, and humble but also hard working and diligent. I think a slick, used-car-salesman type may succeed in Iowa in the short run if he wins enough but he won't get much leeway from most Iowans should he falter. I think the Iowa character is what has made Kirk and Tom Davis so popular amongst Iowans. It doesn't matter where they were born or even if they have ever been to Iowa. They just have to be "Iowan" at their core.

Of course, it would be nice if they also used a full court press and knew how to move the ball up the court with some style.

 

[HawkeyesWin]

I thought Lick didn't ever look comfortable at Iowa. The fact that he called Keeler to defend Butler AFTER he became the Iowa coach seems to indicate that he had second thoughts early on. It kind of makes you wonder if his anger/frustration/misgivings were a source of the revolving door where our players are concerned.

Lick didn't just forget how to coach when he came to Iowa and I'm yet to be convinced that there is a significant difference in what it takes to succeed at a mid-major vs a BCS school. I think it boils down to buyers remorse by Lick.

I agree with what many of the poster are saying about needing an Iowa guy. Someone with ties or someone who 'gets' Iowa is badly needed. Most of all, they need to want to be here. We haven't had that in a while.

 

[jardinero]

GhostofBTT-no entiendo bien el frances, asi que nos das la traduccion por favor. Anyone who sprinkles their posts with french is under suspicion in my view for lack of IA ties. Este estado tiene muchos hispanos, asi que nos tomes en cuenta por favor.

 

[VintageHawkeye]

GhostofBTT-no entiendo bien el frances, asi que nos das la traduccion por favor. Anyone who sprinkles their posts with french is under suspicion in my view for lack of IA ties. Este estado tiene muchos hispanos, asi que nos tomes en cuenta por favor.

Como se what?

 

[tigerhawkigirl]

Unfortunately, I never got the impression that he really embraced Iowa City.

What would it look like if he did? I'm not asking to be cheeky.....but for him to have proven (even Alford for that matter) that he "embraced Iowa City" or Iowa in general, I truly do wonder what that would look like? Were there avoidance tendancies for the public eateries, events, etc.? were there actions/words that lead people to believe this. Just a curiosity on my part.

 

[Thawki]

Of course you talk about how important the Iowa ties are and reference the football program, and Hayden had no Iowa ties before he came to IC. And neither did TD.

I know what you are saying, though.

 

[JHHawk]

I think more important than a tie to Iowa is that the new coach be an "Iowa person". By that I mean someone who is genuine, honest, self effacing, and humble but also hard working and diligent. I think a slick, used-car-salesman type may succeed in Iowa in the short run if he wins enough but he won't get much leeway from most Iowans should he falter. I think the Iowa character is what has made Kirk and Tom Davis so popular amongst Iowans. It doesn't matter where they were born or even if they have ever been to Iowa. They just have to be "Iowan" at their core.

Of course, it would be nice if they also used a full court press and knew how to move the ball up the court with some style.

Sorry,but we just had the genuine,honest,self-effacing,humble guy of all time in big time Div 1 BCS coaching in lick. If that is what Iowa wants in a coach...guess what? Iowa will never win this league. It drives me nuts how sensitive Iowa fans are to any sort of swagger in a coach.
Lick was the perfect coach for those fans...he said again and again that one of the most important attributes he seeks in a recruit is humility.
Let me break this to you...great players and great coaches usually are not into the submissive humility thing.
Did Matt Roth have swagger? Does Adrian Clayborn stomp around like he owns the field after a sack? Does DJK have some swagger in his step?
Oh yea.
Great recruiters are great salespeople,period. We need a great recruiter,and therefore I hope he is a great communicator and salesman and promoter for the program.
Bruce Pearl seems to be a favorite and he is the biggest slickest salesman out there with his naked torso dipped in paint,and talking up the students at the cafeteria to drum up support...does he fit the profile of an ''Iowa'' coach? Heck no! Do we want him? Heck yes!!

 

[HawKCP]

As far as I can tell, no one in this thread has been praising Keno. I never have.

However, you are kind of making my point for me. Olson and Raveling were not "Iowa Guys", they did not embrace the community, and they left Iowa for other schools. Mr. Davis was not from Iowa, but he understood Iowa, and loved Iowa as much as we loved him. Olson left for AZ suddenly, while Mr. Davis kept living in IC even after we fired him.

I didn't read this whole thread...but c'mon man. It seems to me that you're just making this stuff up as you go. As far as I can tell your criteria for someone who embraced the Iowa community is someone who the fans now claim to have loved all along.

Iowa fans have run every coach we've had in recent memory out of town...including the beloved Tom Davis. I didn't see anyone burning couches when his contract wasn't renewed...nor did I see any other form of protest.

You just made up a premise (the coach must embrace the Iowa community) and decided on a conclusion that people on here would agree with (then they will be successful at Iowa).

In reality...wins/losses are the only real criteria that matter. When we look for a distant second criteria...Iowa ties/Likable personality/Embracing attitude toward Iowa City and the rest of the state/Propensity to poop in towels and eat pizza in front of recruits while naked/amount of hair gel used...those things are for the most part irrelevant...but I would say Iowa ties is probably as big as any.

 

[IATrainMaster101]

Did anyone visit Iowa Football boards in 2005 2006?
Does KOK get Iowa?
Did Iowa renew Mr. Davis's Contract?
Did Lickliter somehow not embrace Iowa?
I'm sure it's important for the next coach to "embrace and understand Iowa" but I would be willing to bet getting athletic 6'10" top 50 recruits and coach em up is most important.