Why Ferentz is a Great Coach

kicker22 said:
As much as it pains me to say it, I honestly think this says alot. Belichek's failures led to his success as he was able to learn from those mistakes and correct what needed to be corrected. KF left before Belichek became the coach he is now and as a result KF wasn't able to experience Belichek's use of his failures as a blueprint to his success. KF didn't have the opportunity to learn how use such failures as a tool to redefine the game. KF was only there for part of the journey which may have everything to do with why very little change has been made while he has been at the healm. He never learned how to manipulate that failure and has no insight as to how to reconstruct those failures and use them as a building blocks for the programs success.
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This could be a reason for the rumors of Brain vs. Kurt behind the scenes dust ups.
 
LG210 said:
Wow--this is insane. You guys are completely missing the forest for the trees.

First--see my post where I admitted that the 8-0 was an extreme example to prove the underlying point that it is the losses that are driving the overwhelming majority of the anger of the fan-base. Using logical extremes is a common technique in logical analysis. Didn't they teach you that while you were at Iowa?

Second--it is the losses that are driving the overwhelming majority of the anger of the fan-base.

Third--it is the losses that are driving the overwhelming majority of the anger of the fan-base.

Fourth--it is the losses that are driving the overwhelming majority of the anger of the fan-base.
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I can see why you staunchly support KFz. You share his tendency for stubbornly repeating the same thing over and over...whether it works or not.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
I can see why you staunchly support KFz. You share his tendency for stubbornly repeating the same thing over and over...whether it works or not.
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What? Why do you think I staunchly support KF?

The only things I can remember weighing in on are: (1) his salary--blame Barta, not KF because KF was only trying to do what we all would have tried to do--maximize the welfare of his family; and (2) it is difficult for a fan who doesn't attend practice to know who should and shouldn't be playing.

For the record, I don't think fans need a reason other than losses to be upset. But it is what it is.

If we were playing the same quality of football and eeked out two more wins due to opponent error (such as missed field goal by CMU), people wouldn't be nearly as upset. It is the losses that are driving fan anger. It is that simple.
 
LG210 said:
What? Why do you think I staunchly support KF?

The only things I can remember weighing in on are: (1) his salary--blame Barta, not KF because KF was only trying to do what we all would have tried to do--maximize the welfare of his family; and (2) it is difficult for a fan who doesn't attend practice to know who should and shouldn't be playing.

For the record, I don't think fans need a reason other than losses to be upset. But it is what it is.

If we were playing the same quality of football and eeked out two more wins due to opponent error (such as missed field goal by CMU), people wouldn't be nearly as upset. It is the losses that are driving fan anger. It is that simple.
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Most people aren't taking issue with the losses, they are taking issue with the way they occur. Or perhaps I should say the way they reoccur. Poor clock management. Being surprised by fake punts and onside kicks. Transparent play calling that the oohing coaches repeatedly foresee. Horizontal passing on vertical situations. Playing not to lose.......
 
FalseMirage said:
Most people aren't taking issue with the losses, they are taking issue with the way they occur. Or perhaps I should say the way they reoccur. Poor clock management. Being surprised by fake punts and onside kicks. Transparent play calling that the oohing coaches repeatedly foresee. Horizontal passing on vertical situations. Playing not to lose.......
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Don't bother False. He's arguing for arguments sake. He's wrong...he knows it.
 
archfiend said:
While I am not a Ferentz basher, consider your first point. Past Iowa teams (pre-BCS) have not had the benefit of playing two should-be MAC-rifices and an FCS opponent in the OOC. The 1980 Hawks, for ex, OOC included ISU, Arizona and Nebraska. 1975: Syracuse, USC, Penn State. 1960: Oregon State, Notre Dame, Kansas
1950: USC, Notre Dame, Miami (FL)
In this respect, KF's record against BT opponents would be more relevant.
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This is a great point, and helps with perspective. There are, or seem to be, around 4 "gimmes" on Iowa's schedule each year.
 
FalseMirage said:
Most people aren't taking issue with the losses, they are taking issue with the way they occur. Or perhaps I should say the way they reoccur. Poor clock management. Being surprised by fake punts and onside kicks. Transparent play calling that the oohing coaches repeatedly foresee. Horizontal passing on vertical situations. Playing not to lose.......
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My point is that they would not be taking issue at all but for the losses.

Poor clock management in wins rarely results in months of new threads calling for coaches heads, does it?

Being surprised with special teams plays in wins rarely results in months of new threads calling for coaches heads, does it?

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My original response was to a poster on here who said: It is not the losses. It is the manner a team plays, coaches make decisions and how coaches communicate with media or fans.

And that just isn't true. None of that other stuff matters more than a token amount when the team is winning. It is the losses that people are upset about. I do not see how anyone can deny this.
 
I definitely think the B10 record comparisons make for a much more accurate gauge of success than overall winning %
 
LG210 said:
My point is that they would not be taking issue at all but for the losses.

Poor clock management in wins rarely results in months of new threads calling for coaches heads, does it?

Being surprised with special teams plays in wins rarely results in months of new threads calling for coaches heads, does it?

Etc...

My original response was to a poster on here who said: It is not the losses. It is the manner a team plays, coaches make decisions and how coaches communicate with media or fans.

And that just isn't true. None of that other stuff matters more than a token amount when the team is winning. It is the losses that people are upset about. I do not see how anyone can deny this.
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Travisam said:
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Is that a picture of you? Because you are responding to my response to another person's post.

We get it. You do not think people's current feelings about the program stem overwhelmingly from the team's losses. I do. Get over it.
 
And that just isn't true. None of that other stuff matters more than a token amount when the team is winning. It is the losses that people are upset about. I do not see how anyone can deny this.[/QUOTE

Dude, you're playing a game...and you know it.

If the team was winning, those "other things" likely aren't happening! At least not in a significant way...that's precisely the point. You inference that it could be just as bad...but the team would magically fall into more wins and be forgiven is a false premise. You may steal one here or there... but you don't "luck" into 8-10 wins consistently despite bad play and poor coaching.

It's a catch-22

People don't complain about bad game management when you're winning...because the game management wasn't bad enough to make the difference.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
And that just isn't true. None of that other stuff matters more than a token amount when the team is winning. It is the losses that people are upset about. I do not see how anyone can deny this.[/QUOTE

Dude, you're playing a game...and you know it.

If the team was winning, those "other things" likely aren't happening! At least not in a significant way...that's precisely the point. You inference that it could be just as bad...but the team would magically fall into more wins and be forgiven is a false premise. You may steal one here or there... but you don't "luck" into 8-10 wins consistently despite bad play and poor coaching.

It's a catch-22

People don't complain about bad game management when you're winning...because the game management wasn't bad enough to make the difference.
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Thank you for agreeing with me. It is the losses that upset people.
 
LG210 said:
Because they cheer really loud when the same old crap leads to wins.
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KF's coaching style walks the razors edge between victory and defeat. Nobody cheered when he was outsmarted by mighty CMU, just as they don't cheer all that loudly every time he is beaten by NU, ISU, or Minny. I don't recall the cheers following the home loss against Western Michigan either. Face the fact that we are paying an elite salary for someone that would be an average coach in the MAC. Oh that's right, salary doesn't matter because he's such a swell guy.
 
FalseMirage said:
KF's coaching style walks the razors edge between victory and defeat. Nobody cheered when he was outsmarted by mighty CMU, just as they don't cheer all that loudly every time he is beaten by NU, ISU, or Minny. I don't recall the cheers following the home loss against Western Michigan either. Face the fact that we are paying an elite salary for someone that would be an average coach in the MAC. Oh that's right, salary doesn't matter because he's such a swell guy.
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What planet are you on? They don't cheer when he loses. That is my whole point.

If you are upset about his salary, direct that at Barta, not KF. Quite frankly, I am upset about KF's contract as a whole, but I sure don't blame KF for that. That is squarely on Barta's shoulders.
 
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