Why Do Iowa Teams Chit The Bed So Much?

hawkeyebob62 said:
You'd think an AD THAT good wouldn't even BE at Butler...
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How good do you have to be to know who's who when they work directly under you? Not very good. Is there any debate on how good of a coach Greg Davis has been at Iowa? Do you or I need decades of football coaching experience to see that he was a dumpster fire here? Maybe you think I'm talking out of my rectum? Go to the Texas board and ask them what they think of Greg Davis....maybe they're all football geniuses too.
 
HaydenHawk56 said:
1. Iowa never seems to have complete teams. General example in basketball, we have wing players, but not elite guards or a center. Football team has a quarterback, but no wide receivers, elite tailback, safeties, etc.

2. Coaching Conservative or very good coaching M through F, but not on gameday.

3. Injuries and Lack of depth.

4. Losing players to academics and ******* in hotel lobbies. Girl and boyfriend problems. Lack of chemistry.

5. Other teams have more elite players in their front lines and back lines.

6. When Iowa has a chance to step forward into elite status or taste it, they don't take advantage of it. Iowa then losses out on getting the big fish when they Iowa got embarrassed in the big games. Vicious cycle.

7. The University has made some bad coaching hires (Lick, Alford) and is forever married to its historically good/mediocre, but not great coaches (ala Ferentz). Mr. Davis is the outer in the marriage department (probably similar to Ferentz, but with less brass), but the way that situation was handled was very destructive to the basketball program. Mr. Davis retires at Iowa you have more NCAAs and probably a title by now. He should have had one when Minny cheated that year.

8. Gable is like Wooden. UCLA is not the same without Wooden and Iowa Wrestling is not the same without Gable.

9. Three or four teams control women's basketball and then there is everyone else. We get some pretty blonde girls playing under Bluder. UConn gets the street ballers.

10. Iowa needs to update its home environments to get more intemidating. Students need to be courtside, etc.


Bonus.....let's not forget this Iowa basketball team lost to a Division 3 (or D2 school whatever it was) school at the beginning of the year. Very good D3 school, but that should not happen on your own home court ever for a major D1 program (unless the flu breaks out or something).
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Of course we also lost at home in football to a subdivison school as well. Our talent level is not elite, with depth for whatever reason at most of our programs. There is definitely a shortage of D1 type talent in and around Iowa City and Iowa strictly due to a numbers games. Great athletes come thru the state but no more or less based on population. Case in point when we think Iowa City West is the elite of Iowa basketball, they leave the state and get pounded by good but not great teams from those respective states. Well is that to be unexpected? Minnesota has 5.5 million people, Missouri 6 million, Iowa has 3.1 million. So that being said compare what you get out of your return at Iowa vs Minny and Mizzou.........I would say we have been quite lucky to be as successful as we have been and although I am a frequent critic, I have been to a final four, 4 rose bowls, 2 orange bowls and a big ten title game berth(unexpected for our program). I have seen some fun big ten tournament runs as well in basketball. What I havent seen is a national title in anything but wrestling, and since 1958 would be the last and I was born in 1959, I may not be witness to anything like this in my lifetime. Would I like to drink the Dom with my father just once and celebrate a title, of course I would. I also doubt this will happen at this point in my life either. Of course, I can compare my fun times vs the neighbors and I am satisfied most of the time when I look at it that way.
 
cohawkeye said:
Of course we also lost at home in football to a subdivison school as well. Our talent level is not elite, with depth for whatever reason at most of our programs. There is definitely a shortage of D1 type talent in and around Iowa City and Iowa strictly due to a numbers games. Great athletes come thru the state but no more or less based on population. Case in point when we think Iowa City West is the elite of Iowa basketball, they leave the state and get pounded by good but not great teams from those respective states. Well is that to be unexpected? Minnesota has 5.5 million people, Missouri 6 million, Iowa has 3.1 million. So that being said compare what you get out of your return at Iowa vs Minny and Mizzou.........I would say we have been quite lucky to be as successful as we have been and although I am a frequent critic, I have been to a final four, 4 rose bowls, 2 orange bowls and a big ten title game berth(unexpected for our program). I have seen some fun big ten tournament runs as well in basketball. What I havent seen is a national title in anything but wrestling, and since 1958 would be the last and I was born in 1959, I may not be witness to anything like this in my lifetime. Would I like to drink the Dom with my father just once and celebrate a title, of course I would. I also doubt this will happen at this point in my life either. Of course, I can compare my fun times vs the neighbors and I am satisfied most of the time when I look at it that way.
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This is the point of my whole thread. Not sure you got it. I'm not saying the ride wasn't fun with these great seasons/teams, but, out of all those successful runs why can't Iowa just once come away with the big win in the end? That's what is frustrating, not closing every once-in-awhile, and in addition, usually taking a bad loss the last game. Yes, the run was great for all those teams.
 
lightning1 said:
How good do you have to be to know who's who when they work directly under you? Not very good. Is there any debate on how good of a coach Greg Davis has been at Iowa? Do you or I need decades of football coaching experience to see that he was a dumpster fire here? Maybe you think I'm talking out of my rectum? Go to the Texas board and ask them what they think of Greg Davis....maybe they're all football geniuses too.
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WTF? I thought you were talking about Lick and Brad Stevens at Butler. My bad...
 
cohawkeye said:
Of course we also lost at home in football to a subdivison school as well. Our talent level is not elite, with depth for whatever reason at most of our programs. There is definitely a shortage of D1 type talent in and around Iowa City and Iowa strictly due to a numbers games. Great athletes come thru the state but no more or less based on population. Case in point when we think Iowa City West is the elite of Iowa basketball, they leave the state and get pounded by good but not great teams from those respective states. Well is that to be unexpected? Minnesota has 5.5 million people, Missouri 6 million, Iowa has 3.1 million. So that being said compare what you get out of your return at Iowa vs Minny and Mizzou.........I would say we have been quite lucky to be as successful as we have been and although I am a frequent critic, I have been to a final four, 4 rose bowls, 2 orange bowls and a big ten title game berth(unexpected for our program). I have seen some fun big ten tournament runs as well in basketball. What I havent seen is a national title in anything but wrestling, and since 1958 would be the last and I was born in 1959, I may not be witness to anything like this in my lifetime. Would I like to drink the Dom with my father just once and celebrate a title, of course I would. I also doubt this will happen at this point in my life either. Of course, I can compare my fun times vs the neighbors and I am satisfied most of the time when I look at it that way.
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Look at it another way....how would you like to be the Goophers and suck most seasons in both football and basketball, yet have way more elite instate talent to choose from?
 
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